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  1. #101
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    Yumi_umi's Avatar
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    Yumi Umi
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    Goldsmith Lv 90
    Ppl were just used to asts being weak sch/ whm jr.
    Now tht ast has something to defend themselves with the schs & whms feel threatened lol.
    So what is it, you want us to not be a normal healer?
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  2. #102
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    Xenohart's Avatar
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    Xeno Lockheart
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    Faerie
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by SenzorialBoundries View Post
    oh rly well so you want to have mitigation and heals on par with both sch and whm and on top of that cards , balanced.
    That would be nice, except we dont have that yet. We can only do one or the other, not both, during any given fight. It'd make sense not to increase potency if we could use both simultaneously. Whatever flexibility it may appear we have out of combat means nothing, all that matters is what we can do in combat.
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  3. #103
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    PetiteMalFleur's Avatar
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    Viva Diva
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    Gilgamesh
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    Scholar Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by SenzorialBoundries View Post
    oh rly well so you want to have mitigation and heals on par with both sch and whm and on top of that cards , balanced.
    You don't have whm or ast leveled so you have no idea how powerful whm is and how weak ast was before these buffs. I am also willing to bet you've done no savage raiding to know how demanding this tier is or what it takes to actually clear this content. Ast was excluded from nearly all serious progression groups and for good reason. People aren't going to be kicking out whm or sch in favor of ast.

    I farmed Alexander normal with my ast and due to the other healer (and others) dying I was able to utilize my emergency toolkit to maintain the party. I still found it slightly more challenging than it would have been on my scholar or whm but I felt confident enough with the buffs to prolong the fights to clear them.

    The card buffs are still a gimmick next to what our actual job is and the buffs are still so rng based they can hardly be taken in to account when looking at ast viability. I still lack the strong burst heals of a WHM or SCH. I still lack the dps output of a WHM or SCH. I still lack the reliable party buffs scholar bring. That isn't too say ast is worse than their two counterparts but it's a whole different playstyle with some nice party buffs to make up for where they would otherwise fall short.

    Before making these absurd, posts then defend your ignorance for 11 pages, please go level your other healing jobs. Go work on savage turns then come back and share your pov of what you feel is overpowered.
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  4. #104
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    Anatha's Avatar
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    Ana Nuann
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    Jenova
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    And in what goddamn universe were our crap buffs worth taking our gimped healing for?

    None.

    They didn't pay off, the cards may never be drawn, the "buffs" we supposedly supply? Not worth factoring in.

    That fact still remains. Only now since we have competitive healing, people can decide: "Hey since AST is no longer dead weight as a healer, maybe we can try it out and see it if helps us in this encounter"

    You're pissed over that? You'd rather that example never happen. That's how you come off. You don't want AST to exist.
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  5. #105
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    Fevelle's Avatar
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    Fiona Greentear
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    Behemoth
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by CottonCandyLand View Post
    And AST is not a Hybrid-Class, it's a Healer, nothing else. The potency buff was needed because now AST can actually heal stuff.
    A Healer who can do what both speacialized jobs can AND buff/support with their unique system and abilities. Great.
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  6. #106
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    Alahra's Avatar
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    Alahra Valkhir
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    Balmung
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    Reaper Lv 100
    For everyone harping on about how AST was "supposed" to be a weaker healer than WHM and SCH, you should realize that the developers of the game apparently do not agree with you. They did not intend for AST to be a weaker healer, apparently, since they just buffed them. These guys know how they want their game to work, I would think, and it seems that they disagree with your assessment of what AST "should" be.
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  7. #107
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    A'rhyn Tia
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    Shiva
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    Astrologian Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Fevelle View Post
    A Healer who can do what both speacialized jobs can AND buff/support with their unique system and abilities. Great.
    Yes, because AST can change sects during the fight, and can use both, regen and shield but oh...wait...exactly, the AST can't. When do you people learn that the AST is in fact a Job, a Healjob and no, the AST can't heal better than WHM/SCH
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  8. #108
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    Arilaya Syldove
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    Brynhildr
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Fevelle View Post
    A Healer who can do what both speacialized jobs can AND buff/support with their unique system and abilities. Great.
    Let me know when the AST gets Assize, Asylum, Presence of Mind, Benediction, and Cure 3. Or when the AST gets Fairy. No, really, just the Fairy. The fairy alone is that strong.

    The AST hasn't replaced the WHM, it just was made not-completely-terrible compared to a WHM. The AST has not replaced the SCH, it just is not complete trash compared to a SCH. The SCH still has better healing while doing damage, still has crit adlo, and still has the ever-fantastic Fairy, and the WHM still has the most tools for bread and butter healing. That has not changed at all.
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  9. #109
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    A'rhyn Tia
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    Shiva
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    Astrologian Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Taranok View Post
    Let me know when the AST gets Assize, Asylum, Presence of Mind, Benediction, and Cure 3. Or when the AST gets Fairy. No, really, just the Fairy. The fairy alone is that strong.


    The AST hasn't replaced the WHM, it just was made not-completely-terrible compared to a WHM. The AST has not replaced the SCH, it just is not complete trash compared to a SCH. The SCH still has better healing while doing damage, still has crit adlo, and still has the ever-fantastic Fairy, and the WHM still has the most tools for bread and butter healing. That has not changed at all.
    ^this

    I give up, there is no reason with those AST-bashing guys, let me tell you something. If your raidgroup replaced you with an AST or wants to, than thats only because the AST is the better player or you want to reroll. Thats all there is to it.
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  10. #110
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    LathusWHM's Avatar
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    M'iko Peeko
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    Behemoth
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    White Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by pandabearcat View Post
    SCH probably upset because this means that generally speaking you will be deciding in your raid group between SCH and AST.

    AST regen is (probably, idk) still worse than WHM and does not bring MND (seriously, MND vs PIE NEEDS to change) so you lock in WHM and by consequence you lose some SCH spots to AST.

    Not to say AST didn't deserve buffs, but we do not have as many slots for healers as we would probably like.
    Ast + sch is a stronger combo then. Ast + whm
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