Meracydia/Miqo'te/Azys La speculations (spoilers)

[Fenral]

Their motives for this, however, are unclear to me. Reason for this being that there are glaring problems with the obvious "They wanted Silvertear" explanation. Those problems being that Midgardsormr would've acted in defense of the lake, and Syrcus Tower would never have been built. ...Unless the Allagans sealed him as well...or the 'rebirth' that we witnessed in Keeper of the Lake wasn't his first.

That's kind of been the million dollar question since Syrcus Tower was first revealed to be both the seat of the Allagan Empire and the greatest monument of it's capitol city. And it just happens to be spitting distance from the wellspring of all aetherical energy on Hydaelyn, which has been guarded since time immemorial by the brood father of the Celestial Dragons himself. Not to mention it was drawing energy from the primal manifestation of his dead son and the tormented dreams of tens of thousands of his progeny.

"Middy, what in the Seven Hells were you even doing there all this time!?"

The answer is coming in 3.X, I think, but man does he have a lot of explaining to do...

[Nalien]

I'm guessing that the Garleans had already been reverse engineering Allagan technology, but the capture of Ala Mhigo gave them the massive leap in technology that they needed to create Magitek.

Well, there is also stuff like Bozja Citadel, which seemed to be a rushed rehash of Crystal Tower, in order for them to make contact with Dalamud and spur the events of our most recent Calamity, so they've definitely had access to Allagan knowledge for a long while. As I recall Bozja went boom around the same time as the Battle of Silvertear Skies (which lead me to believe Midgardsormr attacked the Garleans there simply because they just attempted to recreate Crystal Tower, and were now moving towards its resting place, two and two, not hard to put together), and I doubt one builds such a thing over night. So yeah, I'm incline to think their sudden turn from obscure little settlement to technologically superior empire has something to do with finding Allagan artifacts. Perhaps Ala Mhigo discoveries resulted in the more recent stuff, but they've absolutely had access to Allagan secrets for a while.

"Middy, what in the Seven Hells were you even doing there all this time!?"

The answer is coming in 3.X, I think, but man does he have a lot of explaining to do...

Certainly been my favorite question for a while... (and I still haven't given up on the Twelve still being a load of old hogwash, you see the Cathedral in Azys Lla with symbols for Azeyma, I see the intro cinematic for World of Darkness and see a symbol representing Xandes new "love"... Azys Lla... Azey Lla... Azeyma... Also explains why a nation of Void Mages might pick up the same "deity", I mean we've had it from the dragons mouth, Primals are just bastardizations of belief, rather than anything "real", if Icehearts Shiva wasn't the real thing, why would old Lous Twelve be any different?)

My current theory, given Midgardsormr is a dragon, how dragons perceive time differently, and the fact that he isn't just a dragon, he is a magical space dragon, is that Hydaelyn has been having him fill out application forms for him and his brood to seek asylum here.

Although in all seriousness, when we went to see him, he complained at us for waking him up, so I'm still incline to think he is just lazy. If he could have repeated the Battle of Silvertear Skies at any point in history, we'd have a much happier story... And if he was meant to be guarding Eorzeas wellspring of Aether... Yeah, my first instinct wouldn't be to crash a warship into it... His a bad parent to boot, given what went down with Bahamut and Tiamat... Let Tiamat get involved with the wrong crowd, clearly didn't hug Niddy enough, then he doesn't even visit them for who knows how long...

[Fenral]

Well, there is also stuff like Bozja Citadel, which seemed to be a rushed rehash of Crystal Tower, in order for them to make contact with Dalamud and spur the events of our most recent Calamity, so they've definitely had access to Allagan knowledge for a long while.

My 1.X is fuzzy, but I believe the answer lies with House Darnus, who were entrusted with the secrets of Dalamud by someone, at some point, towards ends which are still entirely unclear. If we were to find out when and by whom, and that someone's connection to the confirmed last survivor of the house of Xande, we might finally start seeing these random, isolated dots connect towards some bigger picture. Maybe. If one Allagan can make plans that come to fruition 5000 years later, can we really be sure that was a one-time deal?

[treuhavik]

They directly continued what the Allag started

I like this train of thought.

Though, the Allagan approach was far more scientific, whereas the Mhachi were more primitive/ritualistic in their void magicks. It's almost as if the Mhachi had a frame of reference for their love of Azeyma, voidsent and Allagan architecture...

[Eisen-Zorn]

Certainly been my favorite question for a while... (and I still haven't given up on the Twelve still being a load of old hogwash, you see the Cathedral in Azys Lla with symbols for Azeyma, I see the intro cinematic for World of Darkness and see a symbol representing Xandes new "love"... Azys Lla... Azey Lla... Azeyma... Also explains why a nation of Void Mages might pick up the same "deity")

My current theory, given Midgardsormr is a dragon, how dragons perceive time differently, and the fact that he isn't just a dragon, he is a magical space dragon, is that Hydaelyn has been having him fill out application forms for him and his brood to seek asylum here.

Although in all seriousness, when we went to see him, he complained at us for waking him up, so I'm still incline to think he is just lazy. If he could have repeated the Battle of Silvertear Skies at any point in history, we'd have a much happier story... And if he was meant to be guarding Eorzeas wellspring of Aether... Yeah, my first instinct wouldn't be to crash a warship into it... His a bad parent to boot, given what went down with Bahamut and Tiamat... Let Tiamat get involved with the wrong crowd, clearly didn't hug Niddy enough, then he doesn't even visit them for who knows how long...

I also find it interesting that there are twelve deities and there are also twelve (confirmed) Ascians.

Also, Midgardsormr's "origins" state that he was charged with overseeing the waters and magic by Althyk and Nymeria when Silvertear Falls was created. However, Midgardsormr makes no mention of The Twelve when recounting his arrival on Hydaelyn. As for what Midgardsormr was doing? He was sleeping. That's not even a sarcastic answer, for he supposedly went to sleep after his children left. The Agrias is what woke him up when it made its way to Silvertear Falls, and Midgardsormr woke up, crushed the ship, and then crashed with it back in to the lake.

As for The Twelve? I have a theory that The Ascians are what's left of The Twelve after they ascended to Godhood. Almost like shadows cast as Hydaelyn's light spread across the land.

[Anonymoose]

I also find it interesting that there are twelve deities and there are also twelve (confirmed) Ascians.

There were fourteen Ascian overlords in the final cutscene of 2.00, and we know that two Ascians aren't like the others - Lahabrea and Elidibus are "of this world." That makes twelve "old school" Ascians potentially - but it all depends on whether Elidibus was one of the fourteen in that scene - there was no white-robed Ascian visible, and, moreover, there are fourteen pedestals in the Chrysalis, where we saw Elidibus standing in the center. Still, though, I've always kept a theory on the back-burner that Hydaelyn created the Twelve in a time before time, but it all went to hell when the thirteenth and youngest god, Zodiark, came into being.

I don't talk about that theory very much, lol.

[Daralii]

I also find it interesting that there are twelve deities and there are also twelve (confirmed) Ascians.

Also, Midgardsormr's "origins" state that he was charged with overseeing the waters and magic by Althyk and Nymeria when Silvertear Falls was created. However, Midgardsormr makes no mention of The Twelve when recounting his arrival on Hydaelyn. As for what Midgardsormr was doing? He was sleeping. That's not even a sarcastic answer, for he supposedly went to sleep after his children left. The Agrias is what woke him up when it made its way to Silvertear Falls, and Midgardsormr woke up, crushed the ship, and then crashed with it back in to the lake.

As for The Twelve? I have a theory that The Ascians are what's left of The Twelve after they ascended to Godhood. Almost like shadows cast as Hydaelyn's light spread across the land.

I guess that's what happens when you're an immortal space dragon; you settle in for a good night's sleep and suddenly close to 10,000 years pass.

[Kaiser-Ace]

I guess that's what happens when you're an immortal space dragon; you settle in for a good night's sleep and suddenly close to 10,000 years pass.

Then some nut job on a power trip starts firing cannons all over the place and wakes you up. Then HE's the one blaming YOU for blowing up his "Invincible" flag ship that only took one shot to blow up.

The nerve of some people right Middy?

Midgardsormr: I thought I had instructed the not to refer me by that name mortal.

[-Krypyonite-]

All of the Garlean's technology Magitek appears to be based off of what they found at Ala Mhigo. While the Garleans did attack Eorzea initially with highly sophisticated technology, the first record of Magitek weapons appear at the Battle of Cartenaeu.

As fenral said, the house darnus has held many Allag secrets( wich Nael, during t9 says) that his/her(you decide!) family has for ages. And in garlean history was also Darnus family that using replycates of Allag tech, created a technological boom in Garlean machinery.

PLUS the fact that the Garleans fought with primals in Othard with their weaponry and THEN they came to Ala Mhigo (wich i can easly see boosted due to the allagan ruins)


Regarding the fact that the ruins of Qarn are actually Mhach, taking in mind the eroded state of the azys lla cathedral. The qarn and eventually sun temple, could have been, mostly replicates of the really older architecture. Since , as it was said before, Xande's last undoings was seeking a way of bringing Cloud of Darkness from there. It seems pretty normal to me that Mhach would replicate what Allag did, in terms of using voidsents.

As Anonymoose said before, well, i still think the void ark seems to be biological, mostly, but its architecture seems to surpass what we know of the Mhach but they must be related, specially because , with the upcoming patch, unless its related to mainstory, what Fernawales said about ''knowing about the 5th astral era'' stuff, i can imagine it mostly being about the Void Ark, what you guys think?

[AstralKaos]

Colossal bump!

New sightseeing log #62 HW confirms they are Meracydian. The Cathedral was used by a tribe of treelike beings believing themselves to be... 'remnants of Sephirot'.

There's a bit more too, about why it's even up there, and that it has a "distinct" Meracydian style.