Monk 3.0 CHAKRA UNLEASHED

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Dude, I'm starting with PB on the Pull -> DM hits as the tank pulls. There is NO delay. You build at the same speed I do, but you waste time on a Snap Punch.
And no, you can not use any skills else DK & TW are gonna fall off.
Theorycraft as much as you want, there is no substance to it.

[Aeliott]

Yeah, I see Akasha's point now. Ideally you don't even want PB to last any longer than your 5 buffs anyway so you can get straight into your main rotation...thanks to the extended GL duration we now no longer need that refresh from Snap Punch having opened with Form Shift. Opening with Form Shift gives us an extra PB move but it's rather unnecessary. I tried Bootshine like I said earlier in the topic, but that also delays the application of Touch that normally follows PB dropping off, which is bad since we also applied GL3 sooner by starting with Form Shift. And at 613 SkS I couldn't quite fit both Bootshine and Touch in afterwards (maybe with Arrow card / Fey Wind?)...even then I have no idea if that extra Boot crit would result in a DPS gain without tests.

[Allyrion]

Dude, I'm starting with PB on the Pull -> DM hits as the tank pulls. There is NO delay. You build at the same speed I do, but you waste time on a Snap Punch.
And no, you can not use any skills else DK & TW are gonna fall off.
Theorycraft as much as you want, there is no substance to it.

There is a delay if you're going to Shoulder Tackle at the start.
You can Shoulder Tackle, Snap Punch with Form Shift. You will have to Shoulder Tackle PB with yours which causes a delay.

All Form Shift does, is add a GL stack to the opener's base along with whatever opener you pick.
Whatever you are doing is going to be stronger with that. If you found fracture fitting in before, that wouldn't change.
Adding Snap Punch Punch before wouldn't change any of the timing except making your 3rd attack in PB with full GL stacks and not having a PB's animation delay if you use Shoulder Tackle to start.

Hell, you could even have your exact rotation using Form Shift for the first SP, which would result in using ToD while Perfect balance is up.
That would still be nothing but more efficient than what you have, but I don't think that's the most optimal.

That would be
(ST?)->PB->DM->SP->(BFB)->SP->(IR)->DK->(Pot)->TW->(EF)->TOD->(HF)->BS->(SP)->TS->(FC)->DM->(ST?)->FR->DK->TW->SP
to
(ST?) ->DM (PB) ->SP->(BFB)->SP->(IR)->DK->(Pot)->TW->(EF)->TOD->(HF)->BS->(SP)->TS->(FC)->DM->(ST?)->FR->DK->TW->SP

Timing is exactly the same but PB is weaved in.
Even if you think it's a waste to get an extra buffed Coeurl attack, you'd still be better off using Form Shift to start since Shoulder Tackle is pretty much always worth it to start with.
And if you use Shoulder Tackle, there's a delay with PB that doesn't need to be there.

[duceTRE]

Yeah, I see Akasha's point now. Ideally you don't even want PB to last any longer than your 5 buffs anyway so you can get straight into your main rotation...thanks to the extended GL duration we now no longer need that refresh from Snap Punch having opened with Form Shift. Opening with Form Shift gives us an extra PB move but it's rather unnecessary. I tried Bootshine like I said earlier in the topic, but that also delays the application of Touch that normally follows PB dropping off, which is bad since we also applied GL3 sooner by starting with Form Shift. And at 613 SkS I couldn't quite fit both Bootshine and Touch in afterwards (maybe with Arrow card / Fey Wind?)...even then I have no idea if that extra Boot crit would result in a DPS gain without tests.

Try using Deep Fried Okeanis maybe? Gives a bigger SkS boost than Morel Salad. See if using that food helps in squeezing in that Boot.

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Do I have to do this every time....

[Allyrion]

Do I have to do this every time....

That chart is meaningless since it only applies if you add SP at the end of PB.
That will mess up the DK and TS timers. You don't need to do that with the change.

Don't waste time on SP after DK and TS. No one is suggesting that anyway.

[scx]

Then you can not keep GL3 up. Dude, do some testing before you make claims, it's that easy.
And if you wanna SP/anything before DK / TW then that's a pure potency loss.

[Sigmakan]

I think he's proposing ToD when PB is still up. It would basically be the same thing as the first rotation you posted.

[scx]

Then that means Form Shift isn't necessary. You can use it, but what's the point? If you're more comfortable that way, go for it.

That would still be nothing but more efficient than what you have, but I don't think that's the most optimal.

No, it is exactly the same.

[Allyrion]

Then you can not keep GL3 up. Dude, do some testing before you make claims, it's that easy.
And if you wanna SP/anything before DK / TW then that's a pure potency loss.

I already tested it. You won't lose GL3.
Are you just completely misunderstanding?
I'm not arguing which PB sequence is definitely the highest potency anyway.

I'm saying that whichever you pick, you can use form shift to optimize it.
I tested your rotation and I tested it with form shift. You can include FR before TW and DK falls off.
The timing is exactly the same but PB is weaved into the GCD instead.

Adding an extra SP at the start would make everything in your PB phase stronger.
Testing it seems like a dps increase.
But even if you choose not to do that, you would still use Form Shift because it can only quicken your opener regardless of which you choose to do.

Then that means Form Shift isn't necessary. You can use it, but what's the point? If you're more comfortable that way, go for it.



No, it is exactly the same.

It isn't, because PB has an animation delay.
ST > DM (PB) > SP > SP
is more optimized than
ST > PB > DM > SP > SP

There's a reason you don't use off GCDs when the GCD is up if you can help it.
There is an animation delay no matter if you refuse to accept it. So Form Shift will always let PB be weaved in like an oGCD should be.

It's not going to break your dps, but if we're talking optimal then there's no reason not to do that unless you just don't want the hassle.