Elder Primal?

[Kaiser-Ace]

I have a question about something along these lines.

Is SIN from FF10 a summoned Primal would be be a elder primal if so?

In a way yes to both.

*FF10 Spoilers*
It turns out SIN is actually an Aeon it's self summoned by Yu Yevon roughly a thousand years prior to the plot. And Yu Yevon possesses The Final Aeon used to kill it in order to resummon sin. The 1st being Lord Zion and final being Sir Jecht.
*End of FF 10 spoilers*

So Aoens could be stated to be a direct parallel to primals in the FF10 world.

[Belhi]

In a way yes to both.

*FF10 Spoilers*
It turns out SIN is actually an Aeon it's self summoned by Yu Yevon roughly a thousand years prior to the plot. And Yu Yevon possesses The Final Aeon used to kill it in order to resummon sin. The 1st being Lord Zion and final being Sir Jecht.
*End of FF 10 spoilers*

So Aoens could be stated to be a direct parallel to primals in the FF10 world.

The real question I had from FF10 was what was Penance? Sadly FF10-2 never touched on it.


On the elder primal thing though, Im wondering if Ramuh is one. Its curious that he talks as if he has been around for a long time and in the SMN quests the explaination on why the attempt to summon an Egi of him is that the play doesn't have a sufficient Aether to sustain an Egi form of a primal that strong. That would make him stronger than Ifrit, Titan and Garuda.

[WyrahFhurrst]

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No no, I know that Elder Primals are different based on age. I meant that the idea everyone was exploring in this thread - that Bismarck and Ravana were Elder Primals - wasn't necessarily correct based on Corvinoobus's statement. But Corvin did leave the subject open to that journal section possibly including Elder Primals currently, or in the future.

[TinyRedLeaf]

On the elder primal thing though, Im wondering if Ramuh is one. Its curious that he talks as if he has been around for a long time and in the SMN quests the explaination on why the attempt to summon an Egi of him is that the play doesn't have a sufficient Aether to sustain an Egi form of a primal that strong. That would make him stronger than Ifrit, Titan and Garuda.

On face value, Ramuh isn't an elder primal. By that, I mean no one in the game refers to Ramuh as an "elder". I suppose it's because Ramuh is regarded as the god of the sylphs, and they don't seem to predate the Sixth Astral Era. In contrast, Odin has been around since at least the Third Astral Era, some 5,000 years ago.

That said, you won't be the last to wonder how Ramuh could then claim to remember a time before the split between Light and Darkness. Some have suggested that this could merely be the "imprinted" memory derived from the collective prayer of the sylphs. I've also suggested that it could be the primordial memory of the lightning-aspected aether that comprises Ramuh. Frankly, given the lack of hard evidence, anything is possible.

[LaurelinKementari]

I suppose it's because Ramuh is regarded as the god of the sylphs, and they don't seem to predate the Sixth Astral Era.

I wonder what makes you say that? Not saying it isn't true, because there is no evidence for or against it in the game itself, but given how the Sylphs have always been rather secluded to the Black Shroud and man wasn't allowed to reside in it until they made peace with the Elementals, the Sylphs could easily have resided there for millenia without man being any wiser to their existence. (And frankly we do need a Beasttribe that isn't there because "Allagans", or Ascians for that matter.)

[Kaiser-Ace]

On the topic of Rahmu, it's worth noting that Rahmu himself has forbidden his summoning and up until the waning of the 6th Astral Era they were to afraid to summon him lest they invoke his wrath by doing so.

And on the topic of Allag and the beast tribes, The Ixali are the only beast tribe to have ANY valid connection to them. The Pre-Ixali found in The Fractal Continuum were made by Allag but evolved into the Ixali with out aid. For all we know The Vanu Vanu came into contact with the 1st Ixali to not be able to fly and were intrusted with the Key to Azys Lla (Later to be call Atliyan or what ever) incase the Ixali were ever able to come back. Then years in and near the twelves wood deteriorated their genetics even further to where even their wings started disappearing. The Ixali being an artificial life form (Their ancestors being 100% engineered from scratch) could be why the Elementals don't like them as well.

[Alberel]

Going to jump in here ever so briefly to state that "Elder Primal Quests" was a mistake made in those 300 hour 3.0 months. This category will be renamed to "Heavensward Primal Quests" in a future update. Why this particularly phrasing, you may wonder? Well, it is important that the category be broad, for various reasons which will become apparent in time.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled discussion!

Sooo this is basically confirmation that we'll be facing an Elder Primal as part of the 3.X quest series. Nice.

[Exodus-E]

Sooo this is basically confirmation that we'll be facing an Elder Primal as part of the 3.X quest series. Nice.

Not to mention that this pretty much seals the deal on us facing regular Primals for the 3.X quest series as well (as if there was any doubt on that).

[treuhavik]

Sooo this is basically confirmation that we'll be facing an Elder Primal as part of the 3.X quest series. Nice.

Yep. Though I imagine any and all aetheric beigns introduced in HW will be lumped into this category.

[Belhi]

I think until we get a bit of a clearer understanding on the differences between normal primals, elder primals and Eikons are. Eikons clearly display characteristics that other primals don't have such as Odin's apparent ability to operate and exist without any living worshippers.

Currently elder primals seem to just be primals that have been around for a long time. Unless there is some aspect to the age of a Primal effecting its strength this doesn't really necessarily mean an elder primal would be stronger than a normal, recently summoned one. For all we learned about primals recently there is a hell of a lot we still don't know about them.