Elder Primal?

[Kusanagi7]

Heya might be nuthing but i beat bismarck extreme and then went back to inn room and looked through the unending journey and went to the bottom and it says Elder Primal quests and it says the Diabolical Bismark so my question is is he a elder primal?

[WyrahFhurrst]

Huh! It's in the journal too. That whole questline is in there. I wonder if Ravana and Bismarck are actually Elder Primals.

[myahele]

I'm thinking they are.

Especially since there are legends about somebody plucking their eye out a long time ago and said "eye" is the key to defeating them in the EX quests

[WyrahFhurrst]

To further support the theory, Bismarck is an old legend told among the Roegadyn, and since the Vanu Vanu have been up in the Sea of Clouds at least as far back as the Allagans, we can reason it out that they have likely worshiped the White for that long.

[Belhi]

To further support the theory, Bismarck is an old legend told among the Roegadyn, and since the Vanu Vanu have been up in the Sea of Clouds at least as far back as the Allagans, we can reason it out that they have likely worshiped the White for that long.

True but there legends don't really match with the Bismarck we fight. Their legends describe a benevolent creature.

Ravana's dialog in the MSQ seems to suggest he is new too. He seems to describe himself as the Gnath's desires made manifest.

Of course Im bias cause I'm still like the theory that the original Bismarck was a Allagan warship capable of submersing to visit aquatic Allagan sites such as Seal Rock.

[WyrahFhurrst]

True but there legends don't really match with the Bismarck we fight. Their legends describe a benevolent creature.

Ravana's dialog in the MSQ seems to suggest he is new too. He seems to describe himself as the Gnath's desires made manifest.

Of course Im bias cause I'm still like the theory that the original Bismarck was a Allagan warship capable of submersing to visit aquatic Allagan sites such as Seal Rock.

The Roegadyn legends describe a giant whale, not necessarily as benevolent or malevolent. He could have been their equivalent of Moby Dick and have gone around destroying ships. And I am very much so against the idea of every Primal having a basis in fact.

[Belhi]

The Roegadyn legends describe a giant whale, not necessarily as benevolent or malevolent. He could have been their equivalent of Moby Dick and have gone around destroying ships. And I am very much so against the idea of every Primal having a basis in fact.

Yes but how did a Roegadyn legend of a ocean whale become shared by a group of birdlike beastmen living in clouds in the sky? Are we really assuming the Vanu Vanu legend is true and the whale from Roegadyn legend got beaten up by other whales, got blessed by a goddess and turned into a sky whale? If so how did it carry the Vanu Vanu to the sky in the first place? Regardless of the origins there has to be some reason that the Sea Wolves share a legend with a beasttribe when the two almost certainly never interacted before.

[WyrahFhurrst]

It could easily be the First Umbral Calamity. The Age of Gods ends with a Wind aspected calamity, which could explain the origin myth of the Vanu Vanu and the wind crystals that hold the sky islands aloft. The Vanu Vanu may have lived alongside the Roegadyn and shared myths, and when the calamity occurred, the Vanu Vanu were raised to the skies and the Roegadyn left on the ground. It's more likely than blaming absolutely every Primal's origins on the Allagans.

[Belhi]

It could easily be the First Umbral Calamity. The Age of Gods ends with a Wind aspected calamity, which could explain the origin myth of the Vanu Vanu and the wind crystals that hold the sky islands aloft. The Vanu Vanu may have lived alongside the Roegadyn and shared myths, and when the calamity occurred, the Vanu Vanu were raised to the skies and the Roegadyn left on the ground. It's more likely than blaming absolutely every Primal's origins on the Allagans.

I don't think all primal origins are Allag. Most I suspect aren't. The Allag solution to the Bismarck origin just seemed to fit well. This combined with the fact that we know the Allag were involved with at least some of the beastmen and the fact that the Moggles indicate that most of the sky islands were once a single floating landmass. If the destruction of that landmass, which sounds like the Fire Calamity, included the lands in the Sea of Clouds, and with Moogle structures there its quite possible, It would suggest that the Vanu Vanu some time later since their legends don't include any firey destruction and credit the existence of the sky Islands to Bismarck.

Again, I don't want or think all primal origins are linked to the Allagans. Im even hoping the Void Ark isn't Allagan. Im currently more interested in the astral eras we know nothing about.

[Viridiana]

Especially since there are legends about somebody plucking their eye out a long time ago and said "eye" is the key to defeating them in the EX quests

Wait, is the Eye in the Bismark quest supposed to be Bismark's? It's listed as the Weeping Eye of the Manukmanai. I may have missed quest text linking Manukmanai to Bismark, but so far I've got nothing. All I can say for sure, according to quest text, is that Manukmanai hunted the Vanu Vanu for generations following a war with "a tribe from the nethers" during which the Manukmanai came "to feast on the bodies of the fallen." Neither of those sound like something Bismark would do, though...