The "Casual PvP Problem" (For Tomes and Exp) and Possible Fixes

[Iagainsti]

They need to keep eso tomes for first place only. At least this might be some incentive for pve players to actually try and give a damn! I absolutely dread reset knowing I'm going to be stuck with players that are only there for the reward and are happy to just lose.. towards the end of the week the matches get far more exciting because it's only all the true pvpers around!

Nope. Lvl 39 pvp rank here, and I earn my tomes. Problem is I'm stuck with 71 other ppl who might detriment the match. I shouldn't have to bank on others skill/dedication to receive my tomes.

[Februs]

Nope. Lvl 39 pvp rank here, and I earn my tomes. Problem is I'm stuck with 71 other ppl who might detriment the match. I shouldn't have to bank on others skill/dedication to receive my tomes.

Rank 39 only means you play it a lot, not that you actually put effort it. That being said, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. Here's the thing though, Tome capping is super easy. It takes absolutely no time at all, just running your daily roulettes and one run of Alex normal. Why bother keeping tome bonus for something that is easy to get anyway?

Let's compare for a second. Total PvP exp required to reach lvl 50 is 216220 exp. Max exp you can get in match without bonuses or achievements is 400 exp. That's over 500 1st place wins just to cap your level. Good luck with that, since casual pvp'er are constantly screwing over your win ratio.

Weekly cap for eso is 450. Max cap is 2000. There' s a limited amount of eso you can even get, and weekly cap is easily reached just by running your day to day roulette's... WHY THE HECK SHOULD PVP'ER SYMPATHIZE WITH YOUR LAZINESS?! Go run PvE if you want to cap your Eso's. I, and I'm willing to bet most regular pvp'ers, will have no sympathy for someone who's looking for a reward that's handed out like candy for doing pretty much ANYTHING in this game. You're running savage? Great! Get your Eso's there. PvP is PvP. You should be running it because you want to, not because it get's your cap out of the way in a hurry.

I'm not saying you're a bad pvp'er. For all I know, you could be amazing. If that's true then feel free to stick around. The thing is, there's nothing fair about how PvP'ers have to grind this out, putting up with the multitude of PvP problems that plague this game, just to get a measly 400 exp while you, or players even lazier than you, sit comfy getting your Eso bonus every round just for showing up.

[Synestra]

There' s a limited amount of eso you can even get, and weekly cap is easily reached just by running your day to day roulette's... WHY THE HECK SHOULD PVP'ER SYMPATHIZE WITH YOUR LAZINESS?!

I feel ya but there are peoples that focus heavily on both PvE and PvP, im one of them and tomes from pvp is godsend as i really REALLY dont what to run roulettes because there is high propability of getting shit group. Instead SE should have made it that winning gives you 20 2nd place gives 10 and 3rd place gives 5, that way you still get something while encouraging to go for a win if you want to cap tomes faster.

[Februs]

I feel ya but there are peoples that focus heavily on both PvE and PvP, im one of them and tomes from pvp is godsend as i really REALLY dont what to run roulettes because there is high propability of getting shit group. Instead SE should have made it that winning gives you 20 2nd place gives 10 and 3rd place gives 5, that way you still get something while encouraging to go for a win if you want to cap tomes faster.

I get where you're coming from, but I don't agree. I do a lot of PvE. I'd say that I do more PvE than PvP. I'm the resident tank of my FC. So I am called upon by anyone and everyone to run just about everything, and I don't find splitting my attention has been a problem. I'm at rank 40 now, capping my tomes, and getting all my alex gear and my 3 different Hive weapons. It's not an issue to split my time.

Also, I'm sorry, but not wanting to run PvE because you might get a crappy group is no different than running PvP. You might get a crappy group. It happens. This is a social game. Sometimes you get a good group. Sometimes you get a crap one. Not wanting to do roulette's because of the odds of getting some crummy players is the same as saying you pretty much don't want to play the game at all. Even if you have a phobia of running with randoms, or something, you always have the option of running with a pre-made. Get your FC in on it. Between that and weekly Alexander loot runs, your gonna cap your Eso's in no time. The only reason to want to get them out of PvP is to cap them faster... which is just laziness. There's really no gentle way of putting it. PvP Tome bonuses are just a way for PvE'ers to get rewards quickly and with no effort, and that is still WILDLY unfair to PvP'ers who have to grind out hours upon hours of content just to get the meager rewards they're offered.

I do admit that ex roulette is getting stale. I, personally, am getting very tired of Nevereap, but that's still no reason to demand eso's from pvp. For one, Ex roll gets updated every major patch. PvP gets updated... almost never. It think PvE'ers have the advantage in terms of not getting bored with content, because they are given new content ALL THE TIME. PvP'ers are starved of new content, by comparison.

[Synestra]

Get your FC in on it.

Well my FC is extremely small, and by small i mean besides raid nights im usually onlyone online. But anyway, even after hitting r50 and capping a tomes for the week i still que alot in pvp because i enjoy it. When i go there for tomes after reset it doesnt mean i just go afk there(unless you get seize slaughter)i always aim for the win, and win alone as i dont care about 3rd and 2nd place. I could totally live without FL giving tomes but luckily it does give them atm, all it needs is balance like i mentioned before to encourage winning instead /care.

[Yaichiro]

PvP queuing time has been improved a lot with the introduction of tomes which is the fix that we have been waiting for in a long time. However, this also introduced another problem where players who are only concerned about tomes ruining the game by not performing according to objectives. The root to this issue is the fact that you aren't rewarded for good plays neither penalized for bad plays and thus players who are after tomes will usually try to satisfy their own glory by getting greedy and going solo to obtain kills.

Similar to what many people suggested in this thread, I believe it is better to link rewards on performance. The current tomes reward can be the basic reward that you get whether you win or lose and then additional rewards are added according to performance. For instance, every 20k damage or 100k heals you do will reward you additional 5 tomes where every 3 deaths will remove one reward. Also getting 1st place will reward you 5 more tomes.

[Februs]

i always aim for the win, and win alone as i dont care about 3rd and 2nd place. I could totally live without FL giving tomes but luckily it does give them atm, all it needs is balance like i mentioned before to encourage winning instead /care.

Totally agree. I do not understand the players who go in aiming for 2nd (and yes, I've had players actively encourage the team to go for second place. It was baffling). I aim for the win.

I would be able to live with reduced tomes for failure. It would be a decent compromise, and I'm pretty sure it would yield the exact same effect as completely eliminating tomes entirely. If casual players saw that they were not going to be able to cap their tomes simply by queing for Seize and then sitting around and picking their noses during the match, only scoring a measly 5 tomes for a 3rd place loss for example, I'm pretty sure that those players would simply get pissed off that they can't be lazy anymore and go back to PvE. So This is a solution that I would be willing to see put into effect.

Also, any little adjustments that improve the competitive aspects of the game are welcome. SE doesn't seem to get (made obvious by their ranking system and almost useless PvP customization options) that PvP is a game mode that is for competition, and competitively minded players. Give them a reason to continue competing and those competitions will heat up. It in our nature to work harder when we have something to work for. It's something that every PvP oriented game I've played has utilized to get the players to get into it, but SE just doesn't seem to get it.

[RiceisNice]

Totally agree. I do not understand the players who go in aiming for 2nd (and yes, I've had players actively encourage the team to go for second place. It was baffling). I aim for the win.

If second place counted for ADS mount, I wouldn't mind it too much. Honestly, the wolf mark and PvP rewards for placing aren't too that far apart to matter, but everything related to achievements requires first place. Which is an utter pain for 3-way objective fights, especially for large scale ones like 24v24v24.