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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenral View Post
    Just honestly quoting an honest reaction. Depending on the time of day, the cliff really isn't that apparent, but whether you noticed it or not beforehand it is a pretty lame plot device.

    But being tragic does not automatically make a story good, either.
    I understand. I was just pointing out that the cliff was there. Its not like it came from no where.

    Also I was arguing that Tragic doesn't mean bad. I never meant to imply that tragic always means good. Quite the opposite. Tragic tales can be awful. Tragedy isn't good for just Tragedy's sake.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ayuhra View Post
    I leveled DRG on an alt and have been slowly going through LNC on my main here.

    Aaaand I see where the OP is coming from. Nidhogg and his like are all "wronged" characters also that lash out irrationally but the game does a good job showing us that their story is tragic, even if their response is still wrong. The backstory for Foulques is sad but it is not framed in a way that paints him as tragic. The game paints him as bad. And if you pay attention it can be uncomfortable because unlike other class villains Foulques of the Mists ostensibly likes you. He felt bad for stealing from the Guild but let's remember he wasn't the only one picking over the coffers. He was just the only one who felt guilty enough to come forward about it.Other Lancers SAID they'd come forward too but when the time came they all pointed at the Duskwight and drove him out. I can see why that would be upsetting. And the Lancer's Guild never seems to answer for this. Ywain is apparently aware of the whole thing and does nothing. The Wood Wailers have similar problems with racism in their ranks but the Archery quests at least deal with this. It's a prominent aspect of that story. In the Lancers quests it mostly just felt like "Foulques = bad because story says so".

    MOSTLY, though, MOSTLY I can tell you Foulques was handled poorly by his own plot because I play a Duskwight. I had this weird feeling that was the wrong thing to be every time I did a Lancer quest. They're just waiting for something to happen, then they are going to throw rocks at me...
    Foulques actions are what made him bad. One thing you need to remember is the events that happened to Foulques happened some time ago. We have no idea how things have changed in the Guild since then. We do know that Ywain hasn't been Guild Leader for a very long time. He is a retired Wood Wailer. Foulques spent years in jail and time since then training. Things may have already changed since his time. They had in Gridania in general who in the past even saw any outsiders negatively. Certainly Ywain and the Lancers we deal with don't show any inherent racism during the quests.

    Quote Originally Posted by MatthiasS View Post
    There are things like this through the job quests. What stands out to me playing a Wildwood Archer, and having the other Wildwood Archer say you could never understand the ways of his people. YOU ARE HIS PEOPLE. Hell, I bet you could practically CLONE him using character creator, and he would whine about how you're different.
    Not necessarily. The WoL isn't native to the city states. Wether they come from small villages outside the jurisdiction of the City states or from outside of Eorzea is left up to the players. After all Ishgard are Wildwood Elezen too but they wouldn't be called the same people. Likewise Keepers of the Moon from Shalayan will be different from Keepers native to the lands near the twelveswood.
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    Last edited by Belhi; 08-18-2015 at 02:23 PM.