Astrologian Hate!?

[Alahra]

edit: Tetragrammaton, seriously who comes up with these names

Well, since you asked:

"Tetragrammaton" is the Hebrew name of God transliterated in four letters as YHWH or JHVH and articulated as Yahweh or Jehovah.

[Geardagas]

Nothing says 'emergency healing spell' like ancient linguistics.

[PixelFashion]

Didn't read every single post ever in this topic, but uh, I don't think the op watched the same world first videos I watched. There are three world first videos total. World first SA1 (Lucrezia), SA2 & 3 (Elysium). The rest are not world first. They are world second or third or fourth. None of the world first contained an AST. That is all.

[Anatha]

LOL, I never once said I wanted to keep it as is. I'm all for uping it's power. But not in the form of "better heals" I actually have no clue how to fix it. Maybe make lumiferous last 30-45 seconds and increase it's CD. Let me move/place CU. Maybe add a LITTLE power to aspected helios. I don't know, but they can't give me the same heals as a whm/sch or else we'll replace them with the same heals+buffs.

This logic is why AST doesn't have a place in progression.

Because they can't replace what WHM/SCH brings to the table.

AST needs to be able to replace one or the other, and the design of the class implies it should be able to take either role, the PROBLEM is that it's very hard to balance this so that AST/AST isn't the best way to go.

It needs to be equally viable to take AST/WHM, AST/SCH, as it is to take WHM/SCH, and it AST/AST needs to be undesirable in some way.

[Vlady]

This logic is why AST doesn't have a place in progression.

Because they can't replace what WHM/SCH brings to the table.

AST needs to be able to replace one or the other, and the design of the class implies it should be able to take either role, the PROBLEM is that it's very hard to balance this so that AST/AST isn't the best way to go.

It needs to be equally viable to take AST/WHM, AST/SCH, as it is to take WHM/SCH, and it AST/AST needs to be undesirable in some way.

Letting us stance dance in combat and fixing our two broken cooldowns would pretty much solve 99% of astro issues.

[technole]

Didn't read every single post ever in this topic, but uh, I don't think the op watched the same world first videos I watched. There are three world first videos total. World first SA1 (Lucrezia), SA2 & 3 (Elysium). The rest are not world first. They are world second or third or fourth. None of the world first contained an AST. That is all.

Yep, it's all about min/max at the undergeared, world first raid level. Kind of like how the world first A3S clears both had DRK instead of PLD. Doesn't mean PLD isn't viable, just that they were obviously looking to push main tank DPS. Same with AST, it is viable.

[Khyan]

Yep, it's all about min/max at the undergeared, world first raid level. Kind of like how the world first A3S clears both had DRK instead of PLD. Doesn't mean PLD isn't viable, just that they were obviously looking to push main tank DPS. Same with AST, it is viable.

There was even a machinist on the Lucrezia party.

[Anatha]

Letting us stance dance in combat and fixing our two broken cooldowns would pretty much solve 99% of astro issues.

I'd prefer you put me on ignore, and refrain from responding to my posts. I don't have the inclination to deal with trolls.

[SuzakuCMX]

There was even a machinist on the Lucrezia party.

MCH gives 5% Phys Damage buff and 5% Mag Damage buff and TP/MP and has insane burst. It is not comparable to how AST currently is.

[Risvertasashi]

This logic is why AST doesn't have a place in progression.

Because they can't replace what WHM/SCH brings to the table.

But if they can fully replace one of those, that job becomes shunned. Even if AST/AST doesn't become a thing, if AST is (for example) WHM + buff cards... why bring WHM?

So, it can't bring what WHM or SCH brings to the table, unless you want to see one of those jobs shunned (although... judging from how the tank forums are acting about war, I do think quite a few on the forums would take pleasure in it).