This is the end.

[Amiantos]

Common elements in threads like these:

-"Debates" that just repeat the same points over and over
-Random meme images to mock someone
-Debates that spiral into a massive text wall
-Random accusations
-Me posting stuff like this
-Moderator comes in to lock the thread after 10+ pages

I don't feel we have meme images in this thread...so I'll fix that.

[Jetstream_Fox]

I don't feel we have meme images in this thread...so I'll fix that.

It really is, like seriously so what the guy had a skill up. Not like anyone died from him using it. Some people take stuff way out of proportion.

[Leadleaf]

I don't feel we have meme images in this thread...so I'll fix that.

At this point in the first page of the thread I'd have picked the "reverse" version of that meme, but I'm a gentlewoman.

[Amiantos]

It really is, like seriously so what the guy had a skill up. Not like anyone died from him using it. Some people take stuff way out of proportion.

Everyone has an opinion on and some get way too emotional in this and start the proverbial shit slinging at each other. People have differing opinion on the event and in general. "No one has a right to tell him how to play as he pays the same sub as you" is a bad argument. I looked at it that the 3 others agreed he didn't play the way they wanted to play so they removed him simple as that.

[Jerichai]

I'd ask that you stop assuming I condone the way Boosti behaved in this situation, Rice. You're right, regardless of how it started, the OP did handle his reaction to the situation poorly. If he was causing an unnecessary disruption to my party and making things too heated, I'd likely vote kick him as well and hope he cools off before joining another party.

But just because his reactions were in the wrong, doesn't mean we can't investigate the situations that perhaps instigated his reaction:

The "worthless" statement came after the critique, after his reply, and after his silence, whether or not that critique itself was bad, we don't know.

Are you completely sure about that. Returning to the original post of this thread, Boosti states:

all of the sudden im being crucified for having Mage's Bailed up. Being told thats it pointless to have up. Mind you i had it up for the sake of the healer maybe wanting to DPS a little. Every bit of DPS helps. So the other bard in my party is telling me i'm worthless and and i have no clue how a DRK knight plays and blah blah blah.

To me, that sounds like the other Bard snapped at the at the OP and labeled him as worthless for not knowing ballad had no effect on a DRK in Darkside. I take the 'telling me I'm worthless' as how Boosti perceived he was 'being crucified' by a member of members of his party. Yes, we only have his word to go on, but I don't think this situation is a complete fabrication. What exactly does the OP stand to gain from lying about this. It's not like we know who his other party members were, and less than 5 minutes on any internet forum, especially game related ones, show that posters in general show little sympathy towards other people's problems.

I also still don't agree that Boosti was being dismissive towards his party for the sake of being dismissive. The other Bard did not make their point well (based on their execution), and Boosti didn't believe they were right (from his perspective). I mean, if I took every criticism thrown at me on scholar to heart without question, I'd be using Eos 24/7 and never enter cleric stance, since there are some rather vocal people from time to time in roulette who steadfast believe healers should heal and nothing more. But I think both of us can agree that that isn't the optimal play style for me in those situations. Am I being dismissive of my party and uncooperative when I choose to disregard that feedback (assuming of course that I can handle the incoming healing adequately). Again, I'm not implying that this was the case for Boosti. He was playing improperly. It's to highlight the fact that people say a lot of things in party chat that may or may not be valuable nuggets of information. If you're trying to communicate a piece of information, if you deliver it in an aggressive way and make no attempt to explain why your information is write (i.e. be persuasive), people will generally file it into the 'do not listen to' category.

Also, given how many Bards forget their songs exist...I tend to be happy when I see one use a song at all. :P

As for how he's attacked you, no, I don't condone that either. But at the same time, I think people are looking down on the OP for having a valid human reaction. From the way he's phrased things to his responses in this thread, I feel like the OP was quite upset over this situation. He felt like he received a lot of flack from his party for trying to use his Bard utility (albeit improperly), and then he felt pressed against the wall with a lot of people rallying against him in this thread. Again, it doesn't mean his behavior is justified, but I think we've all had a moment or two in our lives where we loose rational control over something and say or do things we regret. To look down on someone for that is to look down on them for being normal. The good thing it seems is that I haven't seen the OP reply here in a while, so hopefully he's taken the right step to distance himself from this and cool off.

[RiceisNice]

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That's sort of the thing, I don't think people should be trying to garner sympathy when they really are not in the right either. Especially if they want to quit over something like that, let alone posting to get outside opinions about it.

And it's not even "alot of" people that are rallying against him, I think I was probably the first one to question the circumstances behind it, and you know how that went. I mean honestly, there's being considerate, there's being defensive, and then there's being overly sensitive.

I wasn't against the OP from the start, but rather I wanted to get more details on what happened, since people tend (and have) leave behind key details to victimize themselves. I think there was a couple of topics back then when a party was going slow and one of the DPS decided to sandbag because of it without a word.

mean, if I took every criticism thrown at me on scholar to heart without question, I'd be using Eos 24/7 and never enter cleric stance, since there are some rather vocal people from time to time in roulette who steadfast believe healers should heal and nothing more.

This should not be the case either. Like you said, people may not know whats best for their class. Whether or not you clarify that is another thing (as well as them believing you or not).

[AnaviAnael]

I have screens on my ps4 of what they said.

Is there any way you could provide the screens for us to see? (With names edited out of course.) I think this would help a lot of the current debates.

[SakuraMidori]

crucified for having Mage's Bailed up

They had no right to be mean over this but Mage's Bailed will kill your own dps and should only be up if and when you see someones low on MP. That said the player base in this games 50/50 there are some very cool good ppl but by the same token you get the bad side with assholes :P but really don't quit over it

[Jerichai]

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May I reiterate once again, I am not condoning the OP's behavior. But I think it is fair to consider all the causes that led to this outcome. This is not some isolated occurrence. It would be nice to see at least a few people walk away from this understanding that you can't berate a fellow party member and expect them to walk away with the lesson you expected them to learn from that.

[RiceisNice]

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I understand that. But the point remains is that he already casted the dice. Even when you consider all the causes that led to that outcome, you still have to consider what led him to make the topic in the first place, and the following replies in said topic. Collectively, it does not look good. Even isolated, it does not look good from my point of view.

I understand that everything you say has a consequence to it, just as much as how you reply as well, justified or not. An eye for an eye is never the way to go and there were missed oppertunities to defuse it in both here and the party.

At this point we're pretty much going back and forth. I understand your view point as much as I hope that you understand mine. You might not agree to it, but the matter of fact from my point, is that the OP could have very well let his situation escalated the way it did, and it's not entirely out of the question considering the responses here. Again, I don't think you agree with what he did, but understand my perspective and how it looks from a collective point of view and what kind of person OP is coming out to be. If he got so defensive toward me or others in this topic for just disagreeing or questioning what went on, it sort of speaks of what he considers to be a personal attack toward him, and it could've just escalated from there.