This is the end.

[Jerichai]

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And what you've consistently ignored (or don't believe), was the context that may have driven the OP to tell the other Bard to mind their own business. Assuming there are some threads of truth to Boosti's statements, the other Bard started their critique by insulting him, labeling him as 'worthless' for using ballad. There's also the difference in opinion about the applicability of ballad to DRK. The other bard appears to assume Boosti is clueless about the fact that ballad has no effect on the DRK's MP with Darkside up, when it appears Boosti's did understand that and his intentions was to give the DRK the MP boost when they deactivated Darkside. let's take those elements together. Boosti now is perceiving a player who's quick to hostility, insulting his self worth, and who appears to not understand his purpose in his actions but instead label him incompetent. Yes, that doesn't mitigate the fact that Boosti was performing in a less than optimal manner, and his reaction to the Bard did not help the situation. But that goes back to an earlier statement I made: sometime people don't know what they don't know. Perhaps to Boosti, providing the MP boost seemed like a valuable utility to possibly two other members of his party. He isn't wrong in the notion that tanks and healers can provide meaningful DPS.

So let's look at it from that situation. Boosti feels like he's under attack, with everyone in the party potentially turning against him. At the same time, he feels like the other Bard is calling him out without trying to understand his purpose. In my opinion, that paints the picture of someone pushed into a corner and simply reacting badly. A behavior I think anyone can say has happened to them at least one or two times in their lives.

And it goes back to what I've been saying all along. If you see someone doing something you no is wrong or not optimal, attacking them is not the way to go about correcting it. Just going through the this, it's clear the main thing Boosti took from this experience was not how to optimize his song usage in these situations, but a feeling that the community is toxic. Even if the other Bard's intentions were to get him to play better, they failed miserably from their execution.

[RiceisNice]

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The "worthless" statement came after the critique, after his reply, and after his silence, whether or not that critique itself was bad, we don't know. I got labeled for being one of those people just for pointing out one example of the perspective by boosti himself, how am I so sure that he isn't hyperboling about being "crucified" when he did so to me in this topic?


The other people in his party doesn't even know his intent for playing ballad to begin with, he never bothered justifying it to them. Honestly that point, it doesn't matter who was hostile or uncooperative first, because both sides of the party aren't being cooperative. My point is that you shouldn't play the "mind your own business card", because honestly, they're in your party, it is their business on how you play can affect them. Boosti wasn't in the right to be that dismissive to the party, regardless of what their initial response was. And we don't even know for sure if it was that bad to begin with from the beginning because we don't have screenshots or anything else to go by other than his word (which, again, has been pretty hostile to people who are not on his side).

We don't know if he got attacked or not and to what degree the statement was. If he didn't, it's even worse with how he reacted. If he did, it doesn't justify him reacting the way he did anyway because that only adds to the vitriol that is this community. And everything that happened after-the-fact (calling him useless, kicking him) was after his response and after his silence, so he could have very well provoked that even further with his dismissive response.

The other bard appears to assume Boosti is clueless about the fact that ballad has no effect on the DRK's MP with Darkside up, when it appears Boosti's did understand that and his intentions was to give the DRK the MP boost when they deactivated Darkside. let's take those elements together.

But that goes back to an earlier statement I made: sometime people don't know what they don't know. Perhaps to Boosti, providing the MP boost seemed like a valuable utility to possibly two other members of his party. He isn't wrong in the notion that tanks and healers can provide meaningful DPS.

The party does not know that was his intention. He never even bothered telling them or correcting them when they assumed that he was playing ballad for the DRK. There's no communication or attempt to defuse the situation, but instead he told them off.

So let's look at it from that situation. Boosti feels like he's under attack, with everyone in the party potentially turning against him. At the same time, he feels like the other Bard is calling him out without trying to understand his purpose. In my opinion, that paints the picture of someone pushed into a corner and simply reacting badly. A behavior I think anyone can say has happened to them at least one or two times in their lives.

And again, my point is how you react to that. especially the bolded part, boosti himself had made no attempt to clear up anything or to even correct the bard (why was he playing ballad to begin with?) He's done the "corner and reacting badly" thing in this very same topic as well, except people were not even openly hostile to him to begin with. To me, that paints something of him being extremely reactive to people that do not nessescarly agree with what he does or believes.

[Jerichai]

I'd ask that you stop assuming I condone the way Boosti behaved in this situation, Rice. You're right, regardless of how it started, the OP did handle his reaction to the situation poorly. If he was causing an unnecessary disruption to my party and making things too heated, I'd likely vote kick him as well and hope he cools off before joining another party.

But just because his reactions were in the wrong, doesn't mean we can't investigate the situations that perhaps instigated his reaction:

The "worthless" statement came after the critique, after his reply, and after his silence, whether or not that critique itself was bad, we don't know.

Are you completely sure about that. Returning to the original post of this thread, Boosti states:

all of the sudden im being crucified for having Mage's Bailed up. Being told thats it pointless to have up. Mind you i had it up for the sake of the healer maybe wanting to DPS a little. Every bit of DPS helps. So the other bard in my party is telling me i'm worthless and and i have no clue how a DRK knight plays and blah blah blah.

To me, that sounds like the other Bard snapped at the at the OP and labeled him as worthless for not knowing ballad had no effect on a DRK in Darkside. I take the 'telling me I'm worthless' as how Boosti perceived he was 'being crucified' by a member of members of his party. Yes, we only have his word to go on, but I don't think this situation is a complete fabrication. What exactly does the OP stand to gain from lying about this. It's not like we know who his other party members were, and less than 5 minutes on any internet forum, especially game related ones, show that posters in general show little sympathy towards other people's problems.

I also still don't agree that Boosti was being dismissive towards his party for the sake of being dismissive. The other Bard did not make their point well (based on their execution), and Boosti didn't believe they were right (from his perspective). I mean, if I took every criticism thrown at me on scholar to heart without question, I'd be using Eos 24/7 and never enter cleric stance, since there are some rather vocal people from time to time in roulette who steadfast believe healers should heal and nothing more. But I think both of us can agree that that isn't the optimal play style for me in those situations. Am I being dismissive of my party and uncooperative when I choose to disregard that feedback (assuming of course that I can handle the incoming healing adequately). Again, I'm not implying that this was the case for Boosti. He was playing improperly. It's to highlight the fact that people say a lot of things in party chat that may or may not be valuable nuggets of information. If you're trying to communicate a piece of information, if you deliver it in an aggressive way and make no attempt to explain why your information is write (i.e. be persuasive), people will generally file it into the 'do not listen to' category.

Also, given how many Bards forget their songs exist...I tend to be happy when I see one use a song at all. :P

As for how he's attacked you, no, I don't condone that either. But at the same time, I think people are looking down on the OP for having a valid human reaction. From the way he's phrased things to his responses in this thread, I feel like the OP was quite upset over this situation. He felt like he received a lot of flack from his party for trying to use his Bard utility (albeit improperly), and then he felt pressed against the wall with a lot of people rallying against him in this thread. Again, it doesn't mean his behavior is justified, but I think we've all had a moment or two in our lives where we loose rational control over something and say or do things we regret. To look down on someone for that is to look down on them for being normal. The good thing it seems is that I haven't seen the OP reply here in a while, so hopefully he's taken the right step to distance himself from this and cool off.

[RiceisNice]

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That's sort of the thing, I don't think people should be trying to garner sympathy when they really are not in the right either. Especially if they want to quit over something like that, let alone posting to get outside opinions about it.

And it's not even "alot of" people that are rallying against him, I think I was probably the first one to question the circumstances behind it, and you know how that went. I mean honestly, there's being considerate, there's being defensive, and then there's being overly sensitive.

I wasn't against the OP from the start, but rather I wanted to get more details on what happened, since people tend (and have) leave behind key details to victimize themselves. I think there was a couple of topics back then when a party was going slow and one of the DPS decided to sandbag because of it without a word.

mean, if I took every criticism thrown at me on scholar to heart without question, I'd be using Eos 24/7 and never enter cleric stance, since there are some rather vocal people from time to time in roulette who steadfast believe healers should heal and nothing more.

This should not be the case either. Like you said, people may not know whats best for their class. Whether or not you clarify that is another thing (as well as them believing you or not).

[Meya]

Wait, so this is the end yet you didn't have an active account till now? Ya somehow Not going to give you any room here, go play the game then comment otherwise you seem to be a douch who is just attacking the game because it's cool.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Common elements in threads like these:

-"Debates" that just repeat the same points over and over
-Random meme images to mock someone
-Debates that spiral into a massive text wall
-Random accusations
-Me posting stuff like this
-Moderator comes in to lock the thread after 10+ pages

[Amiantos]

Common elements in threads like these:

-"Debates" that just repeat the same points over and over
-Random meme images to mock someone
-Debates that spiral into a massive text wall
-Random accusations
-Me posting stuff like this
-Moderator comes in to lock the thread after 10+ pages

I don't feel we have meme images in this thread...so I'll fix that.

[Leadleaf]

I don't feel we have meme images in this thread...so I'll fix that.

At this point in the first page of the thread I'd have picked the "reverse" version of that meme, but I'm a gentlewoman.

[Jetstream_Fox]

I don't feel we have meme images in this thread...so I'll fix that.

It really is, like seriously so what the guy had a skill up. Not like anyone died from him using it. Some people take stuff way out of proportion.

[Amiantos]

It really is, like seriously so what the guy had a skill up. Not like anyone died from him using it. Some people take stuff way out of proportion.

Everyone has an opinion on and some get way too emotional in this and start the proverbial shit slinging at each other. People have differing opinion on the event and in general. "No one has a right to tell him how to play as he pays the same sub as you" is a bad argument. I looked at it that the 3 others agreed he didn't play the way they wanted to play so they removed him simple as that.