This is the end.

[Xaenith]

You can't really do anything to *fix* a community, it's just a random sample of people who play the game that we all view as the 'community'

There are always gonna be jerks in every game. Don't let a few people being mean bring you down.

[Kosmos992k]

If a person is under performing for that content they should be told they're doing so. It's up to them whether they correct this or not and it's up to the 3 others to decide if they're willing to put up with this or not afterwards. If they're not willing to accept accountability for their own performance they should be ready to deal with getting booted. I do feel some forms of insults do go too far but it varies.
**snp** I don't expect Olympic Gold performance but I also don't expect a simple dungeon run to take 10+ minutes longer than normal if there's no wipes.

You do not get to decide if someone is underperforming, nor do you get to define underperforming. Putting your self importance aside, everyone pays the same sub, everyone deserves respect. I am so tired of self appointed judges of how long a run should take, how much dps should be done, how others should play their role, etc. you can't see it, but that attitude is a huge driver behind the toxicity being discussed.

[Miste]

I don't agree with everything RiceisNice has posted but mostly they are just elaborating on one of the possible scenarios based on what OP has told us. So they aren't really jumping to conclusions or condoning abuse on other players. They actually said they aren't condoning harassment or bad behavior.

Jerichai all your posts have been pretty good for promoting decency towards other players, but I think you might be misunderstanding Rice.

Some of the things Rice posted was a bit too much assumption but most of it was just pointing out the other side of the story...like from what OP posted it can branch two ways to what happened. Since we have insufficient info to know what really happened.

Scenario 1. The other member in the group outright raged at OP about ballad without asking why or being respectful about it.
This would mean that pretty much the other member is imo in the wrong no matter how OP acted afterwards, they lit the fire with gasoline instead of just starting with a small ember of decently worded questions or suggestions. OP could either get mad back or just say they were trying to help, but either way that kind of treatment was uncalled for since you shouldn't assume someone is deliberately not trying to help the group. They may think they are helping they just don't know something you might know.

Scenario 2. The other member did ask why OP was ballading either nicely or in an indifferent way and OP immediately overreacted and got defensive.
This would be the problem that Rice brought up that might have happened. If this happened OP was imo in the wrong because they overreacted to someone's light critique of their playstyle. So in this case OP lit the fire with gasoline and probably shouldn't have overreacted. You can't just assume someone is asking you a question about what you are doing to make fun of you. They might just been genuinely curious and/or want to help you.

I posted my opinion based on scenario 1. Rice posted their opinion based on scenario 2. Neither of us is correct or incorrect about the OP, we just discussing how people may perceive these scenarios.

I tried to let people know not to immediately rage at players because they aren't doing what you think is best. They may not know what you'd like them to help the group with.

Rice tried to impart the other side of the coin. That if someone asks or even lightly critiques or tries to suggest another way of playing that you shouldn't overreact or get defensive. They may just be trying to help you.

[Sartori]

That was it nothing else was said by me. Then all hell broke loose i was told i'm a worthless retard and suck at the game and then was kicked out of the dungeon. Today will be the last time I get on this game, unless there is some saving grace that will fix this toxic community from the egotistical ass holes that consume it. I love Final Fantasy but this happens to much to make me enjoy a game that is no longer fun. If other have had this please let me know your story and how it has effected you.

Why aren't you with a FC, and why aren't you running with them? Problem solved?

[RickXRolled]

Hey, I sometimes get kicked because I really dislike and dont support those so called "speed(...?)" runs! o_o
(No support means: I heal slow, no AoE/buffs as dps, I dont pay attention to additional mobs some idiot pulled as tank!)

They are worthless, annoying and shows only NO respect to the devs who maded these dungeons!
Also: "Speed" runs are NOT faster!

I join per Duty Finder! You meet -->random<-- people!
They cant expect every1 like the same thing! <.<

We call that being selfish.

[Kosmos992k]

We call that being selfish.

No "we" don't. Playing as intended does not equate to speed runs. Speed runs are something that some players do, and it would be courteous to request a speed run in DR/DF, but is others don't want to, then it's not a speed run, and not wantingto speed run is not selfish, pushing or bullying others to do it IS.

[loreleidiangelo]

No "we" don't. Playing as intended does not equate to speed runs. Speed runs are something that some players do, and it would be courteous to request a speed run in DR/DF, but is others don't want to, then it's not a speed run, and not wantingto speed run is not selfish, pushing or bullying others to do it IS.

Getting vote-kicked for not contributing to one is a "difference in play styles", though, so be prepared for that black loading screen.

[Noira]

How do you even speed run the newer dungeons ? They have barriers put up that prevents you from making giant pulls. The pulls that people are doing now are not even meduim pulls.

Pulling half a dungeon and wondering things aren't dying super fast (hint: the mobs in HW have higher hp pools). is not a speed run.

And this is coming from someone who loves giant pulls AND dpsing as healer ._.


Anyway to OP just play Foe's for healer if you see them in cleric stance makes dps for us a bit higher. 3k assize ;-;

[Adire]

No "we" don't. Playing as intended does not equate to speed runs. Speed runs are something that some players do, and it would be courteous to request a speed run in DR/DF, but is others don't want to, then it's not a speed run, and not wantingto speed run is not selfish, pushing or bullying others to do it IS.

Hey, I sometimes get kicked because I really dislike and dont support those so called "speed(...?)" runs! o_o
(No support means: I heal slow, no AoE/buffs as dps, I dont pay attention to additional mobs some idiot pulled as tank!)

Intentionally and uncompromisingly crippling your play and hurting the group in an attempt to prove some point when the others don't want to do what you want them to do is pretty selfish...

If there are 3 people in the group wanting to do a quick run, and one person wanting a slow run, and that one person intentionally slows the run down, that person is being very selfish. And that's what AsahinaMyLove just admitted to doing.

[Amiantos]

-snip-

Can call me toxic all you wish and I'll just laugh. There's a base line that I've seen that can constitute saying some one is under performing. I've leveled my dark knight, nin and working on whm solely off roulette's, dungeons and daily hunt list so I've seen good, bad and average players. I've seen nins who don't put up either Kiss of the Viper or Kiss of the Wasp despite pointing it out or using Huton then doing way less than what most others do as nin. They can play as they want but at the same time if myself and the others agree that Mr. Non Kiss of the Viper/Wasp or Mr. I'm not gonna use Huton is the cause of why everything is going so slow we have the same right to replace him. Especially if it comes to harder content too.