This is the end.

[AdamFyi]

Here's the problem with your attempt to turn that around on me.

You're taking things out of context. What was mentioned was only a possible scenario. We only have one side of the story, so nobody other than the three other people and the OP know what actually transpired. The person you're quoting was only pointing out inconsistencies with the OP's story. Namely the whole;

See i have a DRK and i know that when you have Darkside up you don't get the effects of Mage's bailed, but what about when its off. Then Mage's bailed does work. So i tell the Bard maybe she should consider not telling people how to play there jobs.

Could the OP have told the Bard in a more constructive way? Absolutely. Did he actually do it? By the looks of the post - likely not. The Bard probably found that rude, so they ended up vote kicking him. The way I see it, there is insufficient information to go on. So I and some others probably would have some doubts to the OP's story.

By no means was the person you're quoting trying to promote harassment. Plus, expecting players to at least play decently isn't so much to ask. Healers heal the tank, Tanks hold aggro, and the Damage Dealers deal damage.

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Gotta love those terrible trolls who completely implode on themselves.

And, please, don't flame bait other users. You're acting like a troll yourself.

[T2teddy]

Not many people who are trying to screw their party over will openly admit it. Boosti did give off the impression that he was not going to stop/didn't stop playing ballad though. Not saying he was trying actively to screw the party over, but he was seemingly refusing to listen to their reasonable request judging by what transpired in his own words.

Boosti already stated a while ago that he DID turn ballad off as asked.

You can't really say RiceisNice is being toxic

I did not say any such thing.

Also don't see why you think Rice thinks they're "god's gift".

How you misread what I actually said, I fail to understand...

[Jerichai]

Snip.

I am not taking anything out of context. Rice implied that having to put up with possible bullying and harassment is a higher requirement to using roulette. I simply do not agree that is the case, especially when showing common decency and respect towards your fellow players is largely not hard and built on common sense. I so often see people complain about duty roulette being ruined by 'unskilled players'...and yet rarely do they attempt to help improve the situation with constructive, helpful feedback. As I said before, my experience has shown that the vast majority are willing to take advice when it's not constructed in such a manor as to try and make them feel worthless or bad.

I do find it interesting that so many people are harping on the fact that the OP told the other Bard to not tell him how to play his job, but almost nothing with regards that the other Bard labeled them as 'worthless' simply for using ballad at an inopportune time. I don't know about you, but while both Bards' behaviors are far from pristine, I'd say mitigating someone's self worth over a video game is far more problematic and probably instigated the OP's reaction. Yes, we only have his word, but if we're going to build opinions based on his post, it's only fair to include the possibility that what the OP said is fully, or at least partly, the truth. Maybe it's not, but I personally have no reason to believe that there aren't at least some threads of validity in his comments.

But let's also consider another side of what potentially is happening. Yes, the OP is probably not playing optimally (welcome to the vast majority of people in expert roulette...only most of the time their mistakes aren't as obvious). How does labeling them worthless actually help the situation? How does trying to put down any team mate ever actually help? Because I've personally never seen it in any game. The more likely scenario, that person, or the group, will perform worse because everything has become too heated to focus well. Also, did anyone try to explain why what the OP was doing wrong. Such information could have helped them understand the criticism. Things like why the healer and DRK probably don't require the added regen effect of ballad...or how Foe's would be a bigger DPS boost for the healer. Again, going back to my previous statement, I find that the people who yell and scream at the lesser skilled players just want to do that; yell and scream but not actually try and improve things. And it frustrates me, because roulettes can provide a valuable 'in the field' learning experience if they let it be.

Call me a troll if you want, but I'm always going to call out those who act like an ass towards others for the sake of acting like an ass.

[AdamFyi]

I did not say any such thing.

Implications, dear sir. Implications. Just because you didn't actually mean it, doesn't mean you weren't implying it;

Nowhere do I see an attitude of God's gift to FFXIV coming from his post, however, I DO see Riceisnice [and a couple of other folks] jumping to conclusions.

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In the end though, until the OP posts these screenshots that has the names blotched out, we really can't say much. Interestingly, the OP does have the screenshots to prove it; just that he hasn't posted them.

I have screens on my ps4 of what they said.

I don't blame anyone for being skeptical. There were many instances in the Forums were evidence was not provided. This is a little different since the OP actually does have them. Personally, I'll save my judgement till I see the actual chat for myself.

Edit:

I am not taking anything out of context.

Citation please. I'll take another look-see at their post. I'll edit in my thoughts afterwards.

As much as you try to deny it, you actually are taking things out of context. Whether you see it or not is up to you.

The same could also be said on the other end; don't use duty finder or random parties if you can't tolerate the idea of being (over) criticized for your playstyle, especially if you're going to retaliate negatively about it.

That's what an online game encompasses, you're going to run into a variety of people. And honestly, considering how hostile the OP has gotten toward some of the replies, it's not entirely out of the question that there's more to what we're seeing from his side of the story

Everyone in the party is expected to perform their role because that's how the game is designed. If the healer isn't healing, people will die. If the tank isn't tanking, adds get loose and people start dying. If DPS isn't doing their job, things die slowly and dips into the tanks and healer's performance.

That's why you have a vote kick feature to deal with people who can't perform their role up to snuff or get rid of unsavory characters (granted there outliers who abuses this, but you can GM report it anyway).

Call me a troll if you want, but I'm always going to call out those who act like an ass towards others for the sake of acting like an ass.

Just so you know, calling out other players is considered harassment. Though, I commend you for the act, please leave personal attacks to yourself and click that snazzy report button instead. It doesn't help with the discussion.

[Bernelli]

This entire thread is stupid.

[Phydeaux]

What was the name of the spell again...?

...Mage's runaway?
...Mage's leftquick?

[Jerichai]

Snip

And as much as you believe you see it, no, I am not taking things out of context. And it goes back to what you just said to T2teddy: 'Implications, dear sir. Implications.'

Rice states bully and harassment are a natural part of an online environment. And he's not wrong. But I take issue to the notion that because it will likely always exist, there's nothing we should consider doing to address it. I see that notion a lot when it comes to the issue of bullying (not simply limited to gaming). You'll see people talk about wanting to make changes to reduce bullying and harassment, and others fire back that you'll never be able to make it go away completely, so why bother? When I see that attitude, I get frustrated. It's not necessarily about making those negative behaviors go away over night, but holding people to a higher standard so as few as possible have to deal with it.

When Rice says that's the natural state of the community and people have to live with it, I see the implication of why bother trying to do anything to make it better. And I wholeheartedly disagree, because I feel that there's a greater potential when we treat each other with basic, common sense decency. And while I can understand having a heard time having respect for someone who's been blatantly disrespectful towards others, I don't think poor performance in a video game is an appropriate criteria to loosing others respect.

I also see this notion from Rice about what is reasonable to expect from players in a roulette group (based on their role), and how that feeds into the vote kick function. Make no mistake, I do think there are many completely valid uses of a vote kick. But I'm seeing some in this thread equate the OP using ballad incorrectly to him stand in a corner picking his nose during a boss fight. I suspect the OP was probably still attacking, but his damage was being reduced by 15% due to using ballad. Let me tell you, there are so many ways people are likely reducing their potential dps 15% or more in expert roulette. Not knowing your rotation perfectly, not being completely focused on the dungeon (because oh god...I got Neverreap for the 5th day in a row kill me now), etc. Hell, there are many ways that players can reduce OTHER party member's potential DPS by 15% or more. I play a scholar. If I get a tank who can't take a hit or reliably avoid AoEs, my potential dps is dropping. Hell, I've had the rare tank the plummets my dps potential to zero on a number of pulls because they literally can't keep themselves alive long enough for me to get dots up in cleric stance. My point is it's silly to crucify one person when you're probably always grouped with at least someone in your party who is not living up to their full potential.

Which brings up another point. The OP was likely only called out because his mistake was obvious. Anyone can look at the party list and see the ballad buff. Was it a case of something less obvious (like an imperfect rotation), I suspect the OP would probably get through it without a word against him, even if the loss in DPS was similar (I suppose baring someone being obsessive with a parser). To go back to my example with my scholar and tanks, most DPS don't care if the tank is taking more damage than he has to, even if it means my DPS contribution gets lost. As long the tank stays alive and holds enmity, it likely won't phase anyone. So again, my point is that it seems silly to me we get caught up over an obvious (and easily correctable, with constructive feedback) mistake, but ignore everything else.

[Biohazard901]

LOL...

Aww, you tried.

Just stating a fact, don't be upset.

[Adire]

Boosti already stated a while ago that he DID turn ballad off as asked.

Then why would they have gone a while being quiet then suddenly got mad at him again? That doesn't seem suspicious to you at all? Boosti's statement doesn't click with the information he originally provided.

I did not say any such thing.

You very strongly insinuated it, don't try to cop out now

How you misread what I actually said, I fail to understand...

Nowhere, did Boosti say he believes he was trying to screw party in any way, shape or form. Nowhere do I see an attitude of God's gift to FFXIV coming from his post, however, I DO see Riceisnice [and a couple of other folks] jumping to conclusions.

You used the word "however" in a context that made it synonymous to "in contrast", further shown by your capitalizing of "DO".

Thanks for showing your concern, but I can read just fine, thank you very much

[FoxyAreku]

I'm confused, how would mages ballad help a healer DPS exactly?

Attack spells aren't exactly mana intensive unless it's like, holy spam.