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i dont what to tell you other that grow thicker skin and move on, the likehood of you get paired up with them again is slim.
The same could also be said on the other end; don't use duty finder or random parties if you can't tolerate the idea of being (over) criticized for your playstyle, especially if you're going to retaliate negatively about it. The matter of fact is, duty finder isn't designed for me, but it's not designed for you either, or honestly any particular group of people. It is, quite literally, a tool used to get a quick group together for content. That's what an online game encompasses, you're going to run into a variety of people. And honestly, considering how hostile the OP has gotten toward some of the replies, it's not entirely out of the question that there's more to what we're seeing from his side of the story.
Everyone in the party is expected to perform their role because that's how the game is designed. If the healer isn't healing, people will die. If the tank isn't tanking, adds get loose and people start dying. If DPS isn't doing their job, things die slowly and dips into the tanks and healer's performance. That's why you have a vote kick feature to deal with people who can't perform their role up to snuff or get rid of unsavory characters (granted there outliers who abuses this, but you can GM report it anyway).
Last edited by RiceisNice; 08-15-2015 at 01:02 PM.
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Gets a group of rude players. Assumes entire community is toxic.
I am not defending those rude players. Advice can be given politely. And it should also be taken politely. However, you were indeed doing it wrong by playing mage ballad when it's not needed. As a WHM, I never need ballad in a dungeon run, even though I dps a lot on top of healing. That's because there is sufficient down time between trash mobs and bosses that is enough to regen MP. Shroud of Saints between trash mobs is enough to get me from 5% MP to 100%.
Mage ballad is only needed if there are no breaks to get out of combat. This happens in a long boss fight such as trials and raids. That too, you should be smart about using it. For example, in Bismarck Ex, you should play ballad after the two serpents are down, so that the group has sufficient dps.
That said, assuming that the entire community is toxic is silly. Sure I have met my fair share of idiots. But I definitely have met more people that are nice and even more people that don't necessarily go out of their way to help others but are not idiots, which is perfectly fine.
Here's the problem with your attempt to turn that around on me. I'm asking people to exercise basic decency and respect to make use of the feature. You're asking that people should be willing to potentially put up with bullying and harassment, no matter how good the advice attached to it is. Kind of hard not to see which is the more reasonable option. Not to mention, there's a wide array of reasons why someone may not be performing adequately (to you standards), and most are not from a willful desire to drag the party down. A lot of it can come down to people not knowing what they don't know. Like the situation I can gather from the OP's statement, they may think what they're doing is beneficial to the group even if it ultimately isn't. That's not an attitude rooted in a selfish desire to screw over people.
The only expectations you can have for a completely random roulette party are the entry requirements for the instance, the rules set by SE (such as no botting), and the roles each player is assigned upon entry (tank, healer, or dps). So yes, it is reasonable to kick a healer who refuses to cast any heals, or a tank who doesn't pick up NPCs, or a damage dealer who's literally doing nothing or almost nothing to help the team. But un-optimized DPS does not mean that player is not fulfilling the role as a damage dealer. And in this situation we're not talking about someone who steadfast refused to participate. We're talking about a bard who's DPS dropped because they used ballad at an inopportune time. Sorry if I don't see that as a crisis that merits the response it got.
At the end of the day, if you see someone doing something you know is wrong, stop assuming they're always doing it out of laziness or a desire the ruin your day. They may just not understand what the right approach is. Just because something is obvious to you doesn't mean it will be to them...and it's very likely there are some concepts that come easy to them that may confuse you. That's the reality of having more information/knowledge in the world than any one person can hope to even come close to understanding. Instead of flying off the handle, take a moment to respectfully point out the flaw and how they might improve. I might also suggest handling it through a whisper, because a lot of people can feel like they're being called out/blamed when these comments come up in party chat. I will concede that you will find some people who do not care about improving. But in over a decade of playing MMOs, I've found that the vast majority are more than happy to take your advice when it's given in a helpful, respectful manner.
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Some DRK told me while I was doing a Fractual run.
[This was before AST buffs/ Alex gear, DRK still had broken skills and he pulled everything during the Chimera part which I didn't know he was going to use that skill.]
to give him a a BJ because I got stunned and I couldn't heal him and I was pushing my limit to heal him. Then lies and says I was AFK and kicked me.
I did report him though.
I feel like I'm playing league of Legends some of the times but God's no...that game is WOOOOOOOOOOOOORSE!!!
I've been told to get sexually abused, get some sort of illness and some sort of sexual thing on that game over pissed off people...
I just report and ignore them, same as here because people can get ridiculous.
It's funny when they cry and plea for ban lifts in Trib forums hehe.
I'm speaking mostly in context of this topic, not in general. In which case, it's not that he's using ballad in an inopportune time, but he is essentially saying "I do what I want", which shows very little regard to his fellow party members. Whether or not they were aggressive against him for using ballad incorrectly (which in itself can be an overexaggeration on his part, because again he has gotten pretty hostile on comments made against him in this very topic) they told him that it was not beneficial; he backlashed poorly, and it eventually got to the point where he got kicked (which would need some fill ins, because this would have had to have gone on for longer than 5 minutes, and OP mentions that he'd stop saying anything, at this point there's a complete cut of communication.)
Speaking in general, there are players who genuinely do not know how to play their class, and some can be receptive of criticism regardless of how it's presented. However, I do not see this being the case on OP's situation. I don't automatically assume they're doing it out of malice, but what they say in response is what's really important (which again, OP responded with "dont tell others how to play" which can give of negative vibes depending on the circumstances) I'm not saying to accept bullying or harassment, but honestly, this is an online environment and you need a thick skin and they should expect to run into those sort of players as much as you are telling me to expect people who are not performing to my standards (which again, you have to be doing something incredibly off like not comboing or spamming a DoT in place of weapon skills/spells)
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