This is the end.

[Boosti]

to RiceisNice

I turned bailed off when they first got on me about it. And its people like you that expect way to much out of people. Im 100% sure that your one of those asshole players that would have kicked somebody for no reason other then being a self centered egotistical toxic human and expect perfection out of everybody. Hate to tell you the truth but not everybody is perfect like you.

[Adire]

to RiceisNice

I turned bailed off when they first got on me about it. And its people like you that expect way to much out of people. Im 100% sure that your one of those asshole players that would have kicked somebody for no reason other then being a self centered egotistical toxic human and expect perfection out of everybody. Hate to tell you the truth but not everybody is perfect like you.

Please try to remember, RiceisNice was not in your group. RiceisNice has also been quite civil in their responses. There's no need to be so personally insulting of them so quickly when they've done nothing wrong to you personally, only merely questioned your choices and observed what was mentioned by you.

They even admitted they may not understand what went down completely. You aren't helping your case against toxic players by being so toxic yourself. There's nothing wrong with a little explanation on why your choice was wrong.

How can you improve and be more of a benefit to your group if you never know or admit mistakes?

[Boosti]

Please try to remember, RiceisNice was not in your group. RiceisNice has also been quite civil in their responses. There's no need to be so personally insulting of them so quickly when they've done nothing wrong to you personally other than question your choices and observe what was mentioned by you. They even admitted they may not understand what went down completely. You aren't helping your case against toxic players by being so toxic yourself.

Being toxic in game is one thing. All im doing is pointing out that RiceisNice seems to be one of those players by his response to this post.

[Adire]

Being toxic in game is one thing. All im doing is pointing out that RiceisNice seems to be one of those players by his response to this post.

I may be missing something, but I don't see anything Rice has said that is toxic.

[T2teddy]

I don't see anything Rice has said that is toxic.

Combine that with above, I can see why some people can get upset with what you're doing (me included). You're giving off the impression that you're free to become a burden to your party. <snip for char limit> I'm fine with people genuinely do not know their class and listen to advice, I'm not fine with people that don't ever communicate and play terribly and essentially get carried.

unless there is some saving grace that will fix this toxic community from the egotistical ass holes that consume it.

Says the person that feels they can play how they want regardless of how it affects the party.

Nowhere, did Boosti say he believes he was trying to screw party in any way, shape or form. Nowhere do I see an attitude of God's gift to FFXIV coming from his post, however, I DO see Riceisnice [and a couple of other folks] jumping to conclusions.

[RiceisNice]

Nowhere, did Boosti say he believes he was trying to screw party in any way, shape or form. Nowhere do I see an attitude of God's gift to FFXIV coming from his post, and I DO see Riceisnice [and a couple of other folks] jumping to conclusions.

Yes, I'm clearly jumping to conclusions when I'm saying that his perspective isn't the only one in a party of 4.

Whether or not he was intentionally slowing down the party, the matter of fact is, he was. What he did say is that he shouldn't be told how to play his class, ineffective or not. And between the two of us, only one of us accused the other to be an asshole. There are things to take in perspective in general (like courtesy and not being a total A-hole when telling people they're doing something wrong), but I'm trying to speak in perspective of the scenario in this topic as well.

[Adire]

Nowhere, did Boosti say he believes he was trying to screw party in any way, shape or form. Nowhere do I see an attitude of God's gift to FFXIV coming from his post, and I DO see Riceisnice [and a couple of other folks] jumping to conclusions.

Not many people who are trying to screw their party over will openly admit it. Boosti did give off the impression that he was not going to stop/didn't stop playing ballad though. Not saying he was trying actively to screw the party over, but he was seemingly refusing to listen to their reasonable request judging by what transpired in his own words.

You can't really say RiceisNice is being toxic just because they're bringing up some inconsistencies in the story, and RiceisNice has already said they may not be understanding the whole thing. Whether that's because of the rest of the party's side being left out, or just bad wording on Boosti's part, who knows. But the disclaimer has been made.

Boosti on the other hand has made some direct personal insults towards RiceisNice when they have already said they may not be understanding the story right, just because they gave gave criticism about Boosti's choice of playing ballad. Criticism that was correct and delivered civilly.

And if Boosti did continue to play ballad despite the party clearly not wanting him to (it's rational to think he did, since why else would the party get mad at him later on again when he hadn't said anything?), despite it affecting the party negatively, then it isn't toxic on Rice's part to call him out for continuing to do it and hurt the party. Refusing to listen to the party's wishes or listen to advice is toxic behavior. They could have been nicer about it, sure, especially if their first reaction was what Boosti claimed, but they were right that he was sacrificing considerable dps by playing ballad when it wasn't needed, and therefore hurting the party. Refusing to stop doing that is toxic, and in a way, intentional. Ignorance of job function may not be, but ignoring the party's reasonable request is intentional.

Also don't see why you think Rice thinks they're "god's gift". They gave valid criticism of the choice to play ballad, asked about/criticized inconsistencies, mentioned the 2nd party's side of the story, and even admitted they may be wrong.

[T2teddy]

Not many people who are trying to screw their party over will openly admit it. Boosti did give off the impression that he was not going to stop/didn't stop playing ballad though. Not saying he was trying actively to screw the party over, but he was seemingly refusing to listen to their reasonable request judging by what transpired in his own words.

Boosti already stated a while ago that he DID turn ballad off as asked.

You can't really say RiceisNice is being toxic

I did not say any such thing.

Also don't see why you think Rice thinks they're "god's gift".

How you misread what I actually said, I fail to understand...