Is anyone else disappointed by the lack of Long Term Goals?

[SkizzleofRagnarok]

Instrumentality: so just because you enjoy something and decide to dedicate time to it it makes you sad? Its not like anyones life was ruined by FFXI or they lost their job from what I know. Kinda pathetic imo to even call someone sad just because something they enjoy or have as a hobby doesn't fit in your world.

[Velhart]

Instrumentality: so just because you enjoy something and decide to dedicate time to it it makes you sad? Its not like anyones life was ruined by FFXI or they lost their job from what I know. Kinda pathetic imo to even call someone sad just because something they enjoy or have as a hobby doesn't fit in your world.

People got sick from fighting one round of Pandemonium Warden for 18 hours straight and SE was pretty much forced to add an enrage timer to the boss.

[SkizzleofRagnarok]

Velhart: yea cause FFXI is like FFXIV Pandemonium Warden was the Alexander of endgame and was the only endgame content we didnt have any other endgame content ever..

[Stormrider]

Instrumentality: so just because you enjoy something and decide to dedicate time to it it makes you sad? Its not like anyones life was ruined by FFXI or they lost their job from what I know. Kinda pathetic imo to even call someone sad just because something they enjoy or have as a hobby doesn't fit in your world.

Oh my god. I had to respond to this. Were you never on Zam (Allakhazam for us oldies)? Lucky if a month went by where someones life was ruined in someway by the game, that is being generous. Or oh my god the hate in lower jueno.

The biggest thing that comes up as a plus and a minus from XI, is vertical progression. They have been pretty clear about vertical progression. So that leaves you to come up with other ideas from XI. I do like the tower idea with 100 randomized floors working your way up.

XI succeeds by the friendships made. You could actually end up some days spending more time with people in the game then real people (might be pathetic). So you definitely had to become part of a community. You were literally in it together due to the horrible grind. You couldn't progress without others.

[Velhart]

Velhart: yea cause FFXI is like FFXIV Pandemonium Warden was the Alexander of endgame and was the only endgame content we didnt have any other endgame content ever..

I wasn't comparing, you said people were not affected by the game's set up. That 18 hour one round fight made the group trying to beat it very sick and could of made it even worse if they kept pursuing it. Sure it is an extreme, but anything addicting can harm you in the long run if you do not pace yourself correctly.

[SkizzleofRagnarok]

STormrider: well are still playing an MMORPG if i want to solo stuff I can go play skyrim or something. Regardless though what we vision of happening will never be a reality thats the harsh facts. I know im not the first person with some FFXI elements and im not the last. If they wanted to add anything like that it would have been a while back or atleast announced or tried out.

Velhart: Again we dont want the bad things from FFXI we want stuff that made the game good..

[Welsper59]

I'm surprised the white knights of this thread have not attacked you yet like they do me whenever I post similiar topics.
No one wants a new FFXI we want elements from FFXI try and combine vertical and horizontal progressions so the game can cater to both sides and not just casuals only.
Just use stuff from FFXI wich made it so good and enjoyable and learn from it. No need to take everything from WoW. The community just gets lazier because people know stuff gets nerfed eventually and everyone can have everything for half your effort but not at the start as you pretty much.

I recall a post a year or so ago about wanting open world bosses and for dangerous zones exclusively for high level players. There were several people who suggested something akin to the FFXI Notorious Monsters and high level mobs that the game had, which would perfectly fit what was suggested. Some supporters of the want for the open world content shut down those ideas simply for the reason that it was FFXI and that these people who even mention XI should just go back to that "horrible" game lol. They're arguing for the same side but still meet hate. To put it lightly, people are really REALLY stupid when it comes to their own bias. This player base... 10/10, best community ever.

[SkizzleofRagnarok]

Welsper59: thats just sad to see. Yet the same people praise WoW gaming mentality instead like thats so awesome.. :P

[Tyla_Esmeraude]

I tried XI. Couldn't get past the Dunes. Any leveling party I got disbanded 15-20 minutes later cuz someone had to go. I don't think I ever even unlocked subjobs.

So yeah, my view of XI was that it was pointlessly difficult to even level up as a newbie.

lol Most people's hate towards FFXI is because they had one or more negative experiences that weren't entirely the game's fault. If a person had to go, well, they had to go, what can you do about that? Leveling as a newbie was never hard even when sometimes you had to wait for people to show up or even better, I didn't wait, I created my own parties, even with the non conventional setups ever instead of waiting for something to drop from the sky. That's how I got through Valkurm Dunes and Qufim levels. Actually, the entire trip to 75, on multiple jobs. Also, friends helped. Lots.

Is it a coincidence that the people who have a good opinion about 11 are the ones that put a little effort to overcome these little inconveniences and got to see what the whole game had to offer after overcoming this instead of complaining how "hard" and "tedious" the game was?

You know all of you bashing on people who like FFXI should start realizing that most of those people you are bashing on are the reason we have FFXIV 2.0 at all. The legacy players, the ones that played FFXI first then tried FFXIV and stayed to support the game is what made FFXIV 2.0 possible. Hell, I even bet part of the profits from FFXI went onto FFXIV's development. You really should have some damn respect and stop acting like White Knights who can never see any wrong with the game we currently have. You know constructive criticism is harsh but absolute necessary for something to improve. You guys jump on people who dare mention FFXI like if you were wild beasts. Comments like "go play FFXI", "there's a life outside the game, go do that instead of wanting to make the eso cap per job because then my little special me would feel oh so pressured to cap eso on all my jobs" (wtf? seriously? and while not directly related, still shows how this community is) are incredibly ridiculous and just shows how immature this community (at least on the OF) is...

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Considering at the time you couldn't level up without a party, it WAS the games fault. I did try making my own parties, for 2 weeks. I was about 15 at the time, in school, didn't have time to spend 8-14 hours a day trying to get a party to do stuff. After 2 weeks, getting i think a total of 1 level in the Dunes, I just gave up, the game wasn't for me.

Considering I was a beginner with none of the prejudices of XI, I didn't know there were conventional set-ups :P I was simply trying to level up so I could unlock SAM and have some fun. Probably would have liked the game if not for that time constraint.

Looking at my forum join date vs yours, I've been playing this game longer than you :P

I was in the 1.0 beta, and I played through the server close on and off. I even beat original Nael. So yeah, I supported 1.0 and I didn't have a good experience in XI. How bout that?