Is anyone else disappointed by the lack of Long Term Goals?

[Obysuca]

FFXI was unpopular for a lot of reasons.

Tbh, it was "unpopular" because SE did almost zero advertising for it outside Japan. I remember back in 2005 going to buy XI and almost none of the employees at the store had heard of it when asking if they have it in stock. SE did a single (1) commercial for it back in 2002 and that was it for outside Japan.

Stopped reading.

Seriously for all you people think FFXI is a godsend.
GO BACK TO THERE.

>_> When I see people who instantly put down XI, it really makes me feel they've never played it before and only read things / assume what they think XI was. Fun fact - Actually experiencing it has a completely different effect than reading / assuming things.

And to the people who've never played XI and white knight the crap out of XIV. The XIV you know wouldn't be here if it wasn't for XI(SE took development from XI/money and funded XIV not once, but twice, causing XI to drop in development for a few years), so think about that before you instantly go to bash XI.

I'm sorry if this is your first mmo, but if you had played for over a decade like a lot of us, you'd realize that XIV has a lot of bad game designs that make it less of a mmo and more of a mobile game for people who want everything right now and the way they want it. Long term goals are what keep people playing, so there's always that one thing thats out of reach but they still try for it. That's how you keep people subscribed.

Look at older mmos, people stayed subscribed every single month and played every day, for years. Newer ones like XIV? People play for a month when a new update is out, then quit for 2-4 months or just quit all together because everything is handed to you so what's the point?

[BloodPact]

What's wrong with that? Must everything be instant gratification now?

As long as you had fun getting it. What's the problem?

Explain to me, please, how something is going to be instant gratification if it doesn't take over a year to acquire, in a game. There is at least a 12 month gap between the so called "instant gratification" and the "hard earned" <insert pixelated item name here>. FFXI was constantly shoving gating to us in all directions. Anything that mattered in that game was either behind a super absurd time lockout or an even more retarded drop rate percentage. And for the best stuff, of course, both.

Is that fun? If I tell you that you would have to go through the effort of only lifting your right arm and I'd give you a prize next week instead of giving the prize to you at this instant would you be happier / more satisfied? The effort you put for that price was the same, I just withheld it from you because of X reason (in SQX's case, extending the life of content.) Arguably, if I told you to lift your arm every day until that time which you are given the price, that requires more effort, but repetition is considered by most as something tedious and not fun, which directly contradicts what usually one plays a game for. Difficulty, complications are fun. I'm all for Savage modes of everything and all that sort of stuff. Overcoming those things really is the achievement. Dragging a reward for days on end like a carrot on a stick is not really leave people with a sense of gratification, but of relief that the damn thing is finally over.

[Assirra]

>_> When I see people who instantly put down XI, it really makes me feel they've never played it before and only read things / assume what they think XI was. Fun fact - Actually experiencing it has a completely different effect than reading / assuming things.

And to the people who've never played XI and white knight the crap out of XIV. The XIV you know it wouldn't be here if it wasn't for XI(SE took development from XI/money and funded XIV not once, but twice, causing XI to drop in development for a few years), so think about that before you instantly go to bash XI.

I'm sorry if this is your first mmo, but if you had played for over a decade like a lot of us, you'd realize that XIV has a lot of bad game designs that make it less of a mmo and more of a mobile game for people who want everything right now and the way they want it. Long term goals are what keep people playing, so there's always that one thing thats out of reach but they still try for it. That's how you keep people subscribed.

Look at older mmos, people stayed subscribed every single month and played every day. Newer ones like XIV? People play for a month when a new update is out, then quit for 2-4 months or just quit all together because everything is handed to you so what's the point? [/B]

One last try and then i give up this thread since logic doesn't seem to work here.

I have nothing against FFXI or any of its ideas.

The issue i have is threads like this that are 100% pure bashing. It is useless not constructive and above all, completely and utterly pointless.

How about for once, make a constructive thread with ideas, for once actually use more arguments then "FFXI used it" and people will be a lot more open.

But no, all we get is bash thread after bash thread how FFXIV is a bad a game and we should all be grateful to the almighty FFXI and it's playerbase.

PS: Don't EVER try to outgrandpa me with the whole "it's your first mmo but i have a lot more experience". It is utterly disgusting and full of assumptions.
I have been playing mmo's before FFXI was even born, just saying.

[Hayward]

I really believe people have had enough of "long-term goals" because too many elitists made those types of items a requirement to do any endgame content. XIV doesn't need "Ochain/Aegis PLD only" nonsense in Party Finder. The first Relics had their days in the sun, now it's time to move forward to the next generation of Relics.

[Obysuca]

One last try and then i give up this thread since logic doesn't seem to work here.

I have nothing against FFXI or any of its ideas.

The issue i have is threads like this that are 100% pure bashing. It is useless not constructive and above all, completely and utterly pointless.

How about for once, make a constructive thread with ideas, for once actually use more arguments then "FFXI used it" and people will be a lot more open.

But no, all we get is bash thread after bash thread how FFXIV is a bad a game and we should all be grateful to the almighty FFXI and it's playerbase.

>_> Complains about bashing. Was the first one to start bashing in the topic. You're the one who opened up with telling people to go back to XI lol

[Velhart]

>_> When I see people who instantly put down XI, it really makes me feel they've never played it before and only read things / assume what they think XI was. Fun fact - Actually experiencing it has a completely different effect than reading / assuming things.

I think because I played FFXI so much that I know for a fact a lot of ideas people are suggesting is bad. FFXI does have things that would be great additions. Again, people want archaic designs to come back that require completely changing how FFXIV and it's context works. When you come up with a suggestion, you are better off trying to find a way to make it work into the context of the game and not just stick it in there and put a piece of tape over it.

And to the people who've never played XI and white knight the crap out of XIV. The XIV you know it wouldn't be here if it wasn't for XI(SE took development from XI/money and funded XIV not once, but twice, causing XI to drop in development for a few years), so think about that before you instantly go to bash XI.

I don't think most people in here hate FFXI. I love the game and will goof around in it if I have nothing going on. We just know the the genre has evolved since 2002 and some things that developers could get away with back then would not work today.

FFXIV definitely has more than it's fair share of issues and some things do need some changing, but FFXI is definitely not something to look at in bright lights either. FFXI had the worst job balance, grinding, extremely slow paced end game progression that I had ever played. It was friends and the story line that kept me going.

[Bishop81]

Explain to me, please, how something is going to be instant gratification if it doesn't take over a year to acquire, in a game. There is at least a 12 month gap between the so called "instant gratification" and the "hard earned" <insert pixelated item name here>. FFXI was constantly shoving gating to us in all directions. Anything that mattered in that game was either behind a super absurd time lockout or an even more retarded drop rate percentage. And for the best stuff, of course, both.

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Context man.

There is nothing wrong with rewards that require a lot of effort to get. What kind of "effort" is a separate issue.

I think we all agree that "effort" that involves doing the same thing over and over and over again is not the most fun.

However that isn't the only kind of "effort".

[Tanathya]

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Agreed with everything you said.

[SkizzleofRagnarok]

I'm starting to feel everyone that failed at FFXI are the ones becoming FFXIV White Knights enjoying handouts since they never managed to acheive certain FFXI gears or progress themselves.

[Aomine1992]

As much as I loved FFXI, that was one of the worst MMOs I've ever played before, the only thing to keep ppl interested was there friends, the content was ridiculously to long that "casual" players I.e. Ppl with a job, school or life could never catch up to the hardcore players so please stop lol that game fell off for many obvious reasons and no company is going to sacrifice the influx of money from this one to appeal to a small community of ppl who want timesink content back, and someone said it best we don't need pf saying dumb stuff like "zeta weps required (just an example)" -_- they already say enough of that dumb stuff now.