Ninja bad or ok?

[Pluvia]

You make it sound like it's a bad thing, that trick attack is a deal-maker. "Well, yeah, people want a Ninja, but only because they have a really good skill!"

Does not mean ninja is perfect they've got plenty of QoL issues that need fixed Never said trick attack was bad nor does that mean ninja is bad.
overall getting sick of these stupid threads we've had about 3 of them since the start of HW now go ask in the actual ninja thread next time instead of starting a thread

[Sleigh]

Lets be real here they're far from perfect but yes they're wanted becasue of trick attack. None of the fights are that punishing at least A1-A3 that ninja outshines either of the other melee's its all about trick attack

Probably should have phrased it better. They're perfectly balanced for raiding (maybe TP change here or there). QoL, with how bad they are in dungeons/AoE, and Mudra lag, sure they could use some band-aids or changes no doubt.

[Fellesarah]

Take the ninja in the raid is a waste of dps, as for example, the Dragoon and the Ninja in perfect rotations , the ninja is far behind at 200 dps.The vulnerability debuff , in this sense does not recover the damage lost. No tank has trouble generating agro and therefore agro ninja skills are simply trash.

[Pluvia]

Take the ninja in the raid is a waste of dps, as for example, the Dragoon and the Ninja in perfect rotations , the ninja is far behind at 200 dps.The vulnerability debuff , in this sense does not recover the damage lost. No tank has trouble generating agro and therefore agro ninja skills are simply trash.

Come on its not that bad They're ahead sure but not by 200 dps unless your seeing parses I've yet to see.

[Mystina]

Take the ninja in the raid is a waste of dps, as for example, the Dragoon and the Ninja in perfect rotations , the ninja is far behind at 200 dps.The vulnerability debuff , in this sense does not recover the damage lost. No tank has trouble generating agro and therefore agro ninja skills are simply trash.

on faust maybe since drgs and monks hit more than 1 mob in their rotations >.> but im usualy 50-100 dps from then and we are a pure ST dps ;p

[PogueX]

I like Ninja, it would be better if they gave you an attack dog as a pet though like shadow from FF6

[Arow22]

Take the ninja in the raid is a waste of dps, as for example, the Dragoon and the Ninja in perfect rotations , the ninja is far behind at 200 dps.The vulnerability debuff , in this sense does not recover the damage lost. No tank has trouble generating agro and therefore agro ninja skills are simply trash.

100% agree, SE gave ninja the Argo buff cause of their role in being top in dps. To me those skills scream "This is a high damage job". But then didn't deliver on it, what a waste. I love the class just, but some simple tweaks need to be made.

[JubjubTubs]

100% agree, SE gave ninja the Argo buff cause of their role in being top in dps. To me those skills scream "This is a high damage job". But then didn't deliver on it, what a waste. I love the class just, but some simple tweaks need to be made.

Why don't you just flat out say and admit that You Want nin to be the highest dps. Why are people trying to be 'politically correct' on a video game forum. People should just openly say what the f' they want... would end so many 'BS' discussions faster.

And no... nin is fine. Why can't people wrap their around the notion that their TA debuff adds to their DPS curve indirectly. Don't have that debuff w/o a nin... it is solely nin, it adds to a pty's total dps output. Therefor it counts towards a nin's dps curve.

[Pluvia]

Why don't you just flat out say and admit that You Want nin to be the highest dps. Why are people trying to be 'politically correct' on a video game forum. People should just openly say what the f' they want... would end so many 'BS' discussions faster.

And no... nin is fine. Why can't people wrap their around the notion that their TA debuff adds to their DPS curve indirectly. Don't have that debuff w/o a nin... it is solely nin, it adds to a pty's total dps output. Therefor it counts towards a nin's dps curve.

True but is also about equal to the dps a dragoon brings to the raid from utility. No that does not mean buff ninja or nerf dragoons just let this thread die like the others

[Sleigh]

Take the ninja in the raid is a waste of dps, as for example, the Dragoon and the Ninja in perfect rotations , the ninja is far behind at 200 dps.

Nope, sorry. Any parse you'd show as proof of this would be an AoE-enabled situation, or just the NIN slacking/dying/being woefully outgeared.

The vulnerability debuff , in this sense does not recover the damage lost. No tank has trouble generating agro and therefore agro ninja skills are simply trash.

Only PLD in Sword Oath gets a big benefit in pure holding aggro. Regardless, you can do some nifty things with that aggro on every single tank, rotation wise or which stance you're attacking from - the skill is far from just helping a tank hold threat against DPS, it's sustained aggro to ward against healers in something like A3S, and you can have your tank do more DPS/utility they'd rather do.