Ninja bad or ok?

[MrCookTM]

It is a fact , the ninja is a broken class, agro skills are crap and no reason to exist , there is no problem of agro generation with tanks , TA does not increase the overall dps at the end of raid and the chance of error is very high. Error is equal to lose dps . The logic says to not take the ninja in progression like SA3, a group with BLM , DRK , MNK will do much better dps work , than a group with BLM , DRK , NIN. Its a FACT YOSHIDA is wrong .....

You, sir, obviously don't know wet shit about any class, this game, or generally what you're talking about.

Ok .. One boss fight 3 dps one fight 3 min simulation BLM , DRK , MNK same average gear lvl

3*900 (here is a average dps for ilvl 170) +180 (seconds)= 486.000 damage done

Ninja at same average gear ilvl do 750 dps .... (average value from data)

now (2*900+750)*180 = 459.000 damage done but TA do 10% more dps , in 180 seconds = 2 TA up

459.000 + (2*900+750)*20(seconds)*0,1 = 459.000 +5100 = 464.100

486.000 - 464.100 = 21.900 damage lost

but TA has is a 3 stage ninjutsu I need to compile success chance too ?

What the heck, I don't even...

I did 1k sustained at i170 on nin. If you did 900 on your mnk that tells a lot about you as a player and explains a lot of the bs you just wrote. Also stop trying basic, easy math, it's not for you.

[Craiger]

Ok .. One boss fight 3 dps one fight 3 min simulation BLM , DRK , MNK same average gear lvl

3*900 (here is a average dps for ilvl 170) +180 (seconds)= 486.000 damage done

Ninja at same average gear ilvl do 750 dps .... (average value from data)

now (2*900+750)*180 = 459.000 damage done but TA do 10% more dps , in 180 seconds = 2 TA up

459.000 + (2*900+750)*20(seconds)*0,1 = 459.000 +5100 = 464.100

486.000 - 464.100 = 21.900 damage lost

but TA has is a 3 stage ninjutsu I need to compile success chance too ?

What's those DPS numbers? If you're doing 900, or not to mention 750 DPS, you're doing something really wrong....

I checked up a parse from a group that have beaten A3 Savage, and then completely excluded the NIN (TA bonus already is counted for), and both healers... Because healers don't always DPS, and it's just easier to exclude them.

Total DPS without NIN, SCH, WHM = ~4500

Trick attack improves your groups DPS by around 1.67%. I know that it's hard to estimate that exactly, but good groups like this, probably utilize Trick Attack to the fullest, and even get more out of it than that.

4500*0.0167 = 75.

DRG isn't that far ahead that you don't catch up to them with that bonus to DPS. You have to remember that it would be higher in most other fights, since A3S is pretty low with DPS.

If you think MNK/DRG do 900 DPS, and NIN 150 DPS behind at 750... then I can understand why you would think something like this... You simply don't have an idea about what DPS is normal right now, right?

[Fellesarah]

Ah sorry is not DRK ..... my error ... I say DRG sorry ... DRG, MNK and BLM

[Fellesarah]

the same calc at one 1k sustained dps dont change ... if u do it a dragoon can do 1100 at same gear ilvl ..... my friend is a BLM and can do 1150 sustained dps at ilvl 170..... Is not bulshit and yes is basic math , but if u want ... I can made a event matrix .


T3x is not equal T2x+c+(2x+c)*0,1*(t/T) if c is far bellow ... X

[Sleigh]

the same calc at one 1k sustained dps dont change ... if u do it a dragoon can do 1100 at same gear ilvl ..... my friend is a BLM and can do 1150 sustained dps at ilvl 170..... Is not bulshit and yes is basic math , but if u want ... I can made a event matrix .


T3x is not equal T2x+c+(2x+c)*0,1*(t/T) if c is far bellow ... X

Why is it T3x? It's T7x.

[Mystina]

numbers seem way off, i think people are going about faust parse's which are so bad lol on a 60 dummy, blm's are slightly behind ninjas, and ninjas are only like 50 ish dps below monks and 80 ish behind drgs, my static has a monk and blm, all i185+ im allwayse usualy top on every fight since monk has charges they need to keep track of, and with all the pauses in alex fights, tend to drop down a few but we are usualy allwayse near the 1k mark depending on the fight