How do you deal with sluggish tanks?

[Fyce]

@Fyce: 300 dps on a group? Is this at 60? Seems extremely low.

I had a Vault run where a BRD was constantly asking to go faster and to pull more things.
The dude couldn't put more than 300 DPS on a pack of 5-6 targets.

The Vault is 57-58. The BRD in question was 58 and his gear was quite bad.
He wasn't using WM and very rarely his AoE rotation (to his defense, it was before the WM changes... but still).

But anyway, this kind of player is very common and thus, doesn't force tanks to be super good as well.
Plus, if you alternate between a good group and a bad one, the pacing should be completly different, but that's not easy to manage.

So, yeah... asking tanks to be masters at their job (pacing is their job, besides... tanking) while still having very bad DPS and Healers to deal with, is a bit too much.

[Bovinity]

So, yeah... asking tanks to be masters at their job (pacing is their job, besides... tanking) while still having very bad DPS and Healers to deal with, is a bit too much.

Yep. It's especially frustrating because it seems like there are a billion different opinions on every tiny little thing that tanks do. And if you do anything contrary to someone's personal opinion, you're "bad".

Stand here! No, stand over there! Pull that extra pack! No, don't pull that other pack! Face the boss that way! No, wait, face it the other way! Move the boss over there! No, move it over here!

Sure, people can call it "tank entitlement" or whatever, but I don't tell you Machinists how to press 1 over and over. Maybe just let me do my job and save the whining for when something goes wrong.

[Zophar]

I personally don't mind speed runs no matter what I am playing, but I am never going to force a tank to do more than they feel capable of. You're just asking for a bad time regardless.

You read what I said right? It has absolutely nothing to do with pulling big. If you're not comfortable pulling big, don't. I'm in agreement about that. What I'm saying is, keep a good brisk pace. This is asking, seriously, almost nothing. It is in fact, asking even less than asking the dps to not worry about their buffs.

[Blitzace]

Main tank here.

1.The times i've seen a DPS jump in while someone is behind or watching a CD just baffles me.
2. Give healers a second(a few) to see if they want to apply buffs or not, This differs per healer in DF.
3. Often i play with friends and they might ask me to sit back just a few seconds for their TP To restore so they don't run out in the fight.

And just because you used your CDs before we even engage the boss(Really?) Does not mean i'm gonna pull if the healer is almost oom.

There is always i reason why i don't just jump in(Often i do) But when i don't there is a good reason to it. So get annoyed with it, Its in your best interest, as well as for the party

[Trixxy]

just /votekick

[Yorumi]

And just because you used your CDs before we even engage the boss(Really?) Does not mean i'm gonna pull if the healer is almost oom.

The only ones I see blowing all their cooldowns before pulling a boss are tanks. You don't quite seem to understand how dps buffs work though. No one is using hotbar cooldowns between pulls. Most dps have various buffs that build up through combat but have a short duration, usually like 30 seconds or less. There are no ways to renew these buffs outside of combat and if they wear off the dps has to build the stack up from nothing again. Even in combat it usually takes a little time before you can reasonable do something to renew the buff so you can't run in at the last possible second.

Thus dps prefer pulls to be constant unless there is some crisis(tank cooldowns are not a crisis no dungeon boss requires them). Even bosses don't really require standing around or even stoneskin. I'm not saying rush the group but when no one is new there's no reason to pretend like ex roulette is savage alexander.

[Leonus]

^ this.

I'm leveling my war, and as a main dps I know what they're going through. I don't wait on CDS before a dungeon boss, as no dungeon boss is that serious, they aren't really required and I'm constantly checking healer mp. My ready checks for bosses are done while we're running to the boss arena rather than after we've entered it. As soon as I cross that threshold and everyone checked yes while we were still running, I'm pulling it. My pace is that of constant movement unless someone has to afk.

If a dps pulls the next group of mobs, as long as it's reasonable (not running through half the dungeon aggroing everything and bringing it all to me at the same time) I'm gonna pick up those mobs too. My only expectation from dps that do that is to be able to handle their weight, since I know how much I do on my drg and nin. Groups of mobs shouldn't be around long enough to pose any serious threats.

The only whm buff I wait for is protect, and that's at the beginning of the dungeon.

[Blitzace]

I'm sure the healer will agree when people like you pull when he is OOM. Like i said, I usually jump in straight away unless one of the above. And i might not know anything about DPS, as i don't like the classes, I do know a thing or two about tank classes and healer classes, So i do know why i don't jump in and just pull a boss every time

[Bovinity]

Meh, just tank how you want to tank, DPS will never be happy regardless. You'll always be too fast or too slow or pulling too few or pulling too many according to someone.

If I bitched about Dragoons getting whalloped by red zones as much as Dragoons bitch about me turning a boss 10-degrees to dodge a red zone, I'd never have time to actually press buttons!

[Yorumi]

I'm sure the healer will agree when people like you pull when he is OOM. Like i said, I usually jump in straight away unless one of the above. And i might not know anything about DPS, as i don't like the classes, I do know a thing or two about tank classes and healer classes, So i do know why i don't jump in and just pull a boss every time

How often are you're healers running out of mp though? I play all 3, healer, tank, dps, I think maybe one time I've seen a party need to wait for a healer. This includes a lot of whms that use holy during trash. You make it seem like this is a regular occurrence of healers running out of mp. I would wager most of us don't see healers running out of mp on a regular basis. When people are talking about tanks keeping up a decent pace they're not talking about the very rare case where some healer needs a bit of mp.