How do you deal with sluggish tanks?

[Arkenne]

I know people don't like waiting for too long so I try to keep up the pace when I am tanking, but come on, some guys can't wait even 10 seconds >:|!!

Worse is with the frigging bees in Neverreap, the second batch, if not careful you pull the tree as well and the tree is a trap for the bees to sting you because all the DPS first go for the tree for some reason so I try NOT to pull the tree... aaand there goes a DPS in a hurry to rush and rush and pulls the tree before I even catch the bees... :|

[AkashiXI]

I know people don't like waiting for too long so I try to keep up the pace when I am tanking, but come on, some guys can't wait even 10 seconds >:|!!

Worse is with the frigging bees in Neverreap, the second batch, if not careful you pull the tree as well and the tree is a trap for the bees to sting you because all the DPS first go for the tree for some reason so I try NOT to pull the tree... aaand there goes a DPS in a hurry to rush and rush and pulls the tree before I even catch the bees... :|

NOT THE BEES!!!!

Wait...*rereads*

NOT THE TREE!!!

[spelley]

Every *smart* tank I know just does the first batch of bees first, then pulls second set because 4 Final Stings lololololol. One of those cases of "big pull, must be a good idea and faster right?"

[Arkenne]

One of those cases of "big pull, must be a good idea and faster right?"

Well, the bees DO die after the sting, so maybe the Maso Tanks think so O___o;;;
Anyway, can the stings be survived by Hallowed, Holmgang or Living Dead?

[Lavieh]

The front page of this thread is filled with snarky tank entitlement and is extremely annoying. I play every role and I enjoy every role and one thing that utterly irks me is that we feel the tank should always control the pace of a dungeon. I think every member should have a say in what goes on in the dungeon and we should stop treating tanks like fancy french poodles.

If the tank has a reason to wait, that makes sense. If he is just sitting there staring off into space and pulling one mob at a time when the group can easily handle a group is just as bad as a tank who rush pulls and pulls to much. Dungeons should be about time efficiency and fun. We should consider how ALL 4 members of the group feel not just the tank.

[Fyce]

To answer the main topic: tanks will probably start considering going faster and pulling more in general when most DPS parse at very low numbers, and healers are better at doing their job and putting some DPS on the board.

I had a Vault run where a BRD was constantly asking to go faster and to pull more things.
The dude couldn't put more than 300 DPS on a pack of 5-6 targets.

So, yeah, I might sound like a prick, but I'll start thinking that big pull are the norm when good DPS are also the norm, and not the exception.

[AkashiXI]

Well, the bees DO die after the sting, so maybe the Maso Tanks think so O___o;;;
Anyway, can the stings be survived by Hallowed, Holmgang or Living Dead?

With mitigation you don't need any of the above . You can also stun them, holy bomb them, or burst them down altogether. Either way, I feel your pain... or sting :X.

[Ryaz]

Another thing in the bees in Neverreap-- unlike the ones in Qarn, these don't seem to sting until they reach a certain HP threshold, so if you focus one down at a time, you probably won't get stung.

@Fyce: 300 dps on a group? Is this at 60? Seems extremely low. Had a great party today in Fractal where the BLM and I were bursting down packs with 2k+ average each. And while MCH AoE is pretty insane (for the short time we can keep it going), I don't think BRD would be THAT bad.

[Arkenne]

If you focus one down at a time you probably won't get stung.

Seems like they have both properties, by timer and HP %, mostly timer tho... I've downed them as a DPS before they even ever tried to pull the sting off.

But the problem is that if you pull the Tree along with the Bees, DPS focus usually goes to the Tree because AoE bloating and by the time they finish the tree the Bees are throwing their Sting :/

[Firepower]

Every *smart* tank I know just does the first batch of bees first, then pulls second set because 4 Final Stings lololololol. One of those cases of "big pull, must be a good idea and faster right?"

I ALWAYS do this (to clarify I always pull them separately 2 bees then tree and 2 bees) I do feel like I am not pulling enough when I do it but it is for that exact reason, I always get hit by 1 final sting (I take it with shadow wall) simply because DRK's stun doesn't regenerate quick enough unless I get a parry proc to stun more than one of them.