Did Yoshi P messed up the relics Im trying to understand the meaning of this help me!

[Instrumentality]

Getting the relics from 2.0 was a huge timesink and a gil sink.
Was it fair to us who devoted time getting gil for materias and dedicating time for relic drops timesink with dungeon drops lights and books?

I think I spent a little over eight weeks irl time (not game time) on my relic and around 11 million gil?

So 9% of irl time from 2.0-3.0 in which I accomplished lots of other things while also grinding relic is a big timesink? I dunno, sounds kinda casual/easy to get to me?

[Catwho]

Moonleg: FFXI was never like that so i have no idea wich MMO you are talking about? I came from FFXI straight to FFXIV. My burtgang lasted a good long time in FFXI took a while to get it too. It was enjoyable it felt rewarding and I felt i acheived something. All I'm saying is if you want a Zeta get it the same way everyone else did no silly handouts.

By the time Seekers of Adoulin was released, only two relics were still worth it: Gjallarhorn and Aegis. And 99 Ghorn was second fiddle to the Empyrean harp, which was the third set of "relic-like" weapons SE released for XI. Professional bards and paladins were expected to have both instruments and both shields, and juggle them when appropriate. (Excalibur was outclassed by then so PLDs were allowed to escape that.)

[Warlyx]

By the time Seekers of Adoulin was released, only two relics were still worth it: Gjallarhorn and Aegis. And 99 Ghorn was second fiddle to the Empyrean harp, which was the third set of "relic-like" weapons SE released for XI. Professional bards and paladins were expected to have both instruments and both shields, and juggle them when appropriate. (Excalibur was outclassed by then so PLDs were allowed to escape that.)

Gjallarhorn? meh , Daurdabla let the brd put a 3rd song....

Aegis : magic dmg taken -25% at 75.... -50% at 99.

FFXIV ....u can change to DRK for magic mitigation :P

I hope relic this time is done right , because i hated the Novus stage...

[Naliee]

1) People with a zeta have been promised 'consideration' when the Heavensward relic quest line begins in 3.1
2) Traditionally, an expansion to an MMO means that all the stuff you had becomes effectively useless. It has always been this way and will always be this way, otherwise newer players will always be years behind with no realistic way of catching up.

What you GOT from your investment was months of being at the top of the line; not an eternal place among the stars.

XI and XIV are two different games. Plus, last time I checked relic was optional thing to do. Not something you must have.

And they did let us know early enough that Zeta ends there, but that we'd get new thing. In time.

[Ibi]

In WoW they weren't made easier by increase of drop rates, to my knowledge anyway, the Warglaives have the same awful drop rate as before, as does the mount Invincible. The content itself is easier, but not the drop rates (content was also made easier for FFXIV, doing dungeons overlooked for Zodiac drops for example).

It's not quite an apples to apples comparison though, because those relics with the low drop rates (Warglaives, Thori'dal) were good to go as soon as they dropped. It would be equivalent to T9 or T13 having a 1% chance a chance to drop Zeta weapons.

For the quested relics (Val'anyr, Fangs of the Father), I believe the drop rates stayed the same, but it's possible to go in and easily kill the bosses solo even on their heroic setting, rather than requiring 10 or 25 people, which vastly speeds up the process.

Please know I'm not on some high horse by all means everyone should have a relic but everyone should get it the same equal way everyone else did.

Why? Because you say so? Despite what your posting record seems to indicate you think, you do not speak on behalf of the player base.

Why did probably the only thing in this game that was meant as a grind and rewarding get destroyed so quick. You can only get away with this once anyways if the "new relic chapter" is exactly the same as before it will be less players doing relics.

If you feel that the criteria for being enjoyable is that something has to be both a grind and rewarding, you're setting terrible criteria and probably playing the wrong game (although the fact that you feel you have to make daily threads complaining about one facet of the game or another should probably have been sufficient evidence of the second part of that).

If grinding and rewarding really is your thing though, perhaps work on something like the Fenrir mount. I hear that's an incredibly grindy process, and unlikely to be nerfed any time soon.

Or, if you wanted something challenging (rather than just grinding) and rewarding, you could try actually doing some of the tougher content in this game, since your achievements show you haven't yet killed the extreme Primals or Alexander Normal (and therefore can't have set foot into Savage).

That's kind of odd, given that you were lamenting a week and a half ago about burning out "farming Alex gears now as an alternatives" and how much of a chore it was.

Unless all these threads you keep making are just trying to make sure you live up to your FC rank of TROLOLOL Master.

[Malevicton]

Yeah, I always feel betrayed when I have a personal idea for how something should work and someone instead goes with what was always the intended design.

Wait no I don't because that's literally insane.

[Ilitsa]

"replaced overnight", the Zeta is not replaced until around level 56-58. That's almost the ENTIRE leveling process of this expansion. I think we got our money's worth out of the ARR relics. I look forward to doing HW's relic questline next.

[SkizzleofRagnarok]

Again no one wants a new FFXI so drop that. We said maybe use some elements in fact we are discussing one thing only and thats to make the relic grind enjoyable rewarding and in some way make it feel you earned this.
Expansion or not there are other ways to get items and make them as pro as everything else.
Overmelds,currency,ex primals,endgame raid etc Why must this also be nerfed and placed in that category. Out of everything mentioned before that The relic IS the most time consuming of it all and most likely the most expensive way to go.
Yet we got punished for dedicating time and putting money into it.
Instead of a new chapter it should have just continued to expand.
Regardless if your relic worked in the new expansion new weapons got released that where just as good and some came from quests so what was the point again if stuff matched up to it?

[Ashkendor]

Overmelds,currency,ex primals,endgame raid etc Why must this also be nerfed and placed in that category. Out of everything mentioned before that The relic IS the most time consuming of it all and most likely the most expensive way to go.

I'd peg overmelds as the most expensive thing to do, actually. Novus bottoms out at 50% chance to meld materia to the scroll. When you pentameld with tier IV's, you're looking at a cool 6 or 7% chance to do that last meld.

Yet we got punished for dedicating time and putting money into it.
Instead of a new chapter it should have just continued to expand.

This isn't punishing those that made Zetas any more than Echo is punishing raiders or the new gear is punishing crafters that made Lucis tools. It's the nature of the beast when you're talking about a vertical progression MMO. Old things are replaced by new things and become obsolete. This isn't FFXI. We don't have horizontal progression.

After a certain point, quest chains just get too unwieldy for people to catch up with. This was the case with the relic quest. Even with all of the nerfs, the grind is still pretty real when you consider it's only a glamour item now.

[Asierid]

Again no one wants a new FFXI so drop that.

"So let me sit here and talk about XI with hearts/longing in my eyes and suggest things from a different game. I'm just comparing the two for no real reason..."

FFXI was never like that so i have no idea wich MMO you are talking about? I came from FFXI straight to FFXIV.

Oh. Right. That's totally relevant to the topic at hand. Just because XI has it means we should too. Got it. Never mind that they are two different styles of MMO and the relic is now old content.

Soo...why not let people experience it? Because -you- had to grind for it? Please. It's not even relevant anymore (or a big deal for that matter).