Did Yoshi P messed up the relics Im trying to understand the meaning of this help me!

[Moonleg]

Moonleg: I can only speak for FFXI since I came from FFXI to this.

So you have tried one MMO.

A lot of the other posters here have tried a handful or more.

Guess who has the most experience with how MMOs work.

You might as well say, "But this one car I have ever drove (is that the right phrasing? They all sound wrong to me) ran on diesel and used a stick shift attached to the steering wheel, therefore this new car I'm buying DEFINITELY has to have it the exact same way!"

[Ruri]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/s...rchid=35950360
I'm laughing because he's still here after his 'why should I play' thread.
He's the new Akiza! And you know what's funny? Even Akiza realized it and
called him his apprentice and now he takes the flames of the forums or something lol. xD!

Yes I remember that thread and LOL apprentice? Yikes...

[Sylve]

I can still be proud of my own accomplishment without feeling the need to attack other players for not getting their weapon the "right" way.

Its funny because with ilvl sync and especially the "sync to minimum" option, we can still get Coil weapons "the right way" and everyone else will assume we facerolled it. Wont matter to me though when i do get my Coil stuff because I will know how i got it and thats all that matters.

It always surprises me the amount of people who feel like their achievements of the time is somehow lessened because someone else got it years down the track.

[LunaHoshino]

Its funny because with ilvl sync and especially the "sync to minimum" option, we can still get Coil weapons "the right way" and everyone else will assume we facerolled it. Wont matter to me though when i do get my Coil stuff because I will know how i got it and thats all that matters.

It always surprises me the amount of people who feel like their achievements of the time is somehow lessened because someone else got it years down the track.

Exactly. How someone else gets a weapon doesn't affect me at all, so there's no reason to be petty or judgmental about it. It won't lessen my achievement in any way, so why shouldn't they be allowed to have an easier time to get something that is only going to be used for glamour now?

[Reinha]

Your reward for grinding was having the weapon when it was new and being able to use it back when it was useful. Nowadays it's no longer new or useful, and it makes sense that it's easier to get.

Here's a fun fact. Your phone is probably cheaper nowadays than when you bought it (unless you just got a new one). Why? Because time has passed and better models have been brought to the market. Getting pissed off because other people can get a relic easier is like getting annoyed that others can buy a phone like yours cheaper than you did.

[Cherie]

The difficultly I believe the OP is referring to is doing the 3 primal hard modes and also chimera to finish the relic chain. After you finished that, it cost 2 weeks worth of tomes to buy the upgrade item to make your zenith (or at the time, I believe it just said +1).

It actually takes 3 weeks to get the current weapons but they aren't the relics btw. The relic quest comes later. These are just the weapons you can get, much like the ones during the times of crystal tower/2nd coil, just no unidentified allagan tomestone required or some such.

Tbh, I didn't think beating the original quest of 3 primals "hard" modes was all that hard. It's less difficult than it was to beat ravana ex with randoms, so about a few hours of finding groups. I remember beating titan hm the first time was kind of a thrill though, I'll give you that. I think most people were barely Ilvl55-60 at the time (first 2-3 weeks of 2.0 lauch, IE 2 years ago almost exactly).

We will get the new relic quest in 3.1 I believe? I doubt it will be very hard, just a long grind. Get ready to run satasha normal and the old lvl50 dungeons until your eyes bleed. Get ready for grind land lol... I would be very happy if the new relics had nothing to do with any of the old content and maybe required you do atleast *something* more diffcult than running a bunch of dungeons you would have already beat to pick up the relic quest.

[Colorful]

I'm not happy with them nerfing it to hell and back either, but I'm not about to make a thread but I'll post a comment here anyway.

In WoW they weren't made easier by increase of drop rates, to my knowledge anyway, the Warglaives have the same awful drop rate as before, as does the mount Invincible. The content itself is easier, but not the drop rates (content was also made easier for FFXIV, doing dungeons overlooked for Zodiac drops for example). They said Zeta would get some consideration, but as that's happening after the nerf I don't see the point if it isn't anything substantial, maybe if they had waited until 3.1 to nerf them.

All I know is that I'm definitely not doing the 3.x relics until 4.0, I did this one for the glamour not the stats, and if this one looks decent I'll be doing that too, in 4.0.

[Sylve]

In WoW they weren't made easier by increase of drop rates, to my knowledge anyway, the Warglaives have the same awful drop rate as before, as does the mount Invincible

The drop rates are still .5% on a weekly lockout for that stuff (Cant even glamour Orange items anyway so theres little point).
For a long while, even at cap, Black Temple and Icecrown were difficult to solo. Some classes managed it better than others, but for the most part it was still rough. Doable, but rough.

When they did the statsquish, they gave players a 5000% damage bonus in old content. So you can literally 3 shot Illidan. Takes 10 minutes to get to him and thats because of all the intervening trash and forced side bosses you have to clear to get to him.
Then you just bop him on the head and collect your loot and try again next week.

[T2teddy]

OP, I felt the same way about all the players progressing through the pre-Heavensward level 50 content, who are now getting bucketloads of experience for bloody well everything!
All of them can enter Ishgard at anywhere from level 52-55 depending on how much the have worked at it.

WE originals, who all spent over a year sitting at 50 while gaining no exp, had to start the new zones at 50 and it was a lot dicier to solo stuff at that than at 53-54.

But at the same time I'm proud of the fact that we led the charge and defeated all obstacles with no handholding from SE.

As for the whole relic/zodiac weapon grind...I dropped that like a hot potato when I realized the augmented magitek weapon stats were only a couple of points below the dreadwyrms' and for the most part FAR better than the relic's until it got to Zeta. I sort of get a giggle out of seeing how far down the list of rated weapons the relic/Zodiac is now.

[ShaneDawn]

1) People with a zeta have been promised 'consideration' when the Heavensward relic quest line begins in 3.1
2) Traditionally, an expansion to an MMO means that all the stuff you had becomes effectively useless. It has always been this way and will always be this way, otherwise newer players will always be years behind with no realistic way of catching up.

What you GOT from your investment was months of being at the top of the line; not an eternal place among the stars.

This "compensation" is also for those who did their Relic Post-Epansion?