(Un)Official Summoner Feedback Thread [3.0 Edition]

[Spellbinder]

Here we go again...
@OP i don't blame you for this topic, you had good intentions and the first posts were constructive and interesting, but if you are not aware of this, we had a long period where you could see a lot of whining SMN threads. As you can see, it will probably turn out like those threads.

I appreciate the warning and sentiments of concern. It's been two years since making a topic myself, but I follow any and everything summoner-related on the forums quite closely. To be frank, seeing people so unwilling to be civil, even if they don't see eye to eye, was very disheartening up to the release of Heavensward. I was very close to just letting my text sit on my computer and not post at all. But if you don't take a chance, you'll be left to wonder what could have been.

There's a Japanese topic still going on their front page (112 pages and counting) with discussion and feedback, so I see no need to make a separate thread there at the moment. With that said, I feel a designated feedback thread here would help to suppliment the summoner guide created by Havenchild. Things have simmered down here in the DPS forums, so I'm hopeful this will work out.

[AiiroOkami]

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I have no problems with other opinions and suggestions, I'm rather happy that we can exchange our opinions on the SMN.
However, I don't like suggestions like "I want more pets, because that's how the Summoner should be" with the only "constructive argument is "It was like that in previous Final Fantasy".
People need to understand that while every Final Fantasy game has similarites (Some jobs, monsters, bosses, etc), they all have their own concept, lore and gameplay.

We can have other pets, SE could do it, but what would it bring to the table ? If one of the pet we have now is better, we'll use it, if the one of the new ones is better, we'll use it. Even if we had 6 pets, we will only use the best one.

That's why I liked your opinion on having a 4th support pet, but having a skill that will switch our pet for another one during some seconds and we could switch back to the one we were using. That is a good suggestion, constructive, you can be against or for it, it doesn't change the fact that it would be really interesting for the gameplay and also for the SMN job in itself.

[Saggo]

However, I don't like suggestions like "I want more pets, because that's how the Summoner should be" with the only "constructive argument is "It was like that in previous Final Fantasy".
People need to understand that while every Final Fantasy game has similarites (Some jobs, monsters, bosses, etc), they all have their own concept, lore and gameplay.

Historical precedence is a very powerful tool. More pets would simply be more enjoyable, but they'd offer more utility too, more diversity.

I don't care for pet glamours as a solution, personally, graphics might update but behavior and playstyle wouldn't change and that's what I'd want. At least Carbuncle upgrading to Garuda/Titan gave a potency boost.

We can have other pets, SE could do it, but what would it bring to the table ? If one of the pet we have now is better, we'll use it, if the one of the new ones is better, we'll use it. Even if we had 6 pets, we will only use the best one.

Well two things. One, that's not much different than arguing that only one DPS job is the best at a given time, yet they're balanced pretty well and the have they most variety of any role. Dos, the better pet to use doesn't have to be the same pet for every situation, given survivability, utility, or DPS (resistances and mechanics or the like).

[Akiza]

Historical precedence is a very powerful tool. More pets would simply be more enjoyable, but they'd offer more utility too, more diversity.

I don't care for pet glamours as a solution, personally, graphics might update but behavior and playstyle wouldn't change and that's what I'd want. At least Carbuncle upgrading to Garuda/Titan gave a potency boost.



Well two things. One, that's not much different than arguing that only one DPS job is the best at a given time, yet they're balanced pretty well and the have they most variety of any role. Dos, the better pet to use doesn't have to be the same pet for every situation, given survivability, utility, or DPS (resistances and mechanics or the like).

DPS Jobs aren't a good argument for wanting a variety of Pets since SE can change the way DPS is applied while with a Pet all damage is direct damage.

[AiiroOkami]

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For all the fights in FFXIV so far, the best summon was either Garuda or Ifrit. Since Heavensward, Ifrit is almost the only one you use, Radiant Shield is too good to don't care about it.

The fights are straight forward, you are a tank, you tank, you are a healer, you heal, you are a DD, you do a lot of damages.
So I will repeat it again, you can have as much pets as you want, we'll only use the best one, because we are DD and our job is to do the more damages we can, I won't use a less powerful pet just for the sake of "diversity". And I don't really see in what our gameplay will change if we had more pets, the pet does almost everything by himself and you use his other skills by just clicking on it, the gameplay won't change at all.

That's why the pet glamour system is the best solution, you just see a graphic change so you can see other models while having the best pet.

[SoloWingMetatron]

What I don't understand is why the Egi glamour topic keeps going around in the exact same circle of reductive rhetoric.

I get that people are worried the Egi glamours might not stand out and just be a mere clones. But regardless Egi glamours are confirmed now, so if we do ever see a new pet type it won't be for a long while. Furthermore people are again still forgetting that Garuda and Titan are already glamours of Emerald/Topaz Carbuncle, and other then the model design people are fine with them....so it's pretty much an oxymoron at this point.

Perhaps it would be best to wait and see exactly what SE are planning for the Egi glamours before falling back into the same rhetoric because it's not constructive to just repeat the same thing again, and again, and again. Don't get me wrong I adore the Egi and the prospect of new Egi (glamour or not) but there is far more Egi related stuff to talk about than just whether you want the new Egi to be introduced as glamours or not.

At least Carbuncle upgrading to Garuda/Titan gave a potency boost.

This is an interesting point because it shows that even though Garuda/Titan are just glamours of E.Carby/T.Carby, their abilities potency can be altered without effecting the coding of the original pet. This suggests that SE would be fully capable of editing the potency of the abilities for each Egi glamour, just like they did for Garuda and Titan.