Thread: (Un)Official Summoner Feedback Thread [3.0 Edition]

Originally Posted by Saggo

Historical precedence is a very powerful tool. More pets would simply be more enjoyable, but they'd offer more utility too, more diversity.

I don't care for pet glamours as a solution, personally, graphics might update but behavior and playstyle wouldn't change and that's what I'd want. At least Carbuncle upgrading to Garuda/Titan gave a potency boost.



Well two things. One, that's not much different than arguing that only one DPS job is the best at a given time, yet they're balanced pretty well and the have they most variety of any role. Dos, the better pet to use doesn't have to be the same pet for every situation, given survivability, utility, or DPS (resistances and mechanics or the like).

DPS Jobs aren't a good argument for wanting a variety of Pets since SE can change the way DPS is applied while with a Pet all damage is direct damage.

if anything i would like them to make titan more useful outside of solo stuff.

I firmly believe that Titan-egi only being useful when solo is perfectly okay.
Making tank utility from a dps class useful is just way too difficult, because you risk making it mandatory(a thing they don't want), and I think that limiting it to solo is a perfectly good niche for it. It's not like it's utterly useless, I often use it to solo things I couldn't otherwise.

I also want to see more pets.
And while I don't want to see bigger pets, I want to see more detailed pets, and pets that are actually representative of their bigger counterpart.

The enhanced pet actions trait needs to be improved.
My idea:
Enhanced pet actions trait.
Your pet's primary attack/heal increases its damage and healing by 2%, stacking up to 5 times.
In addition, your Summon spells have their cast time and MP cost reduced by 20% per stack.

In addition to more pets, this allows us to switch pets on the fly to actually allow us to use multiple pets per fight, without running dry and having to give up our res utility.(saves Swiftcast and MP)

Increasing the number of Pets won't add anything it'll be effectively giving us new glamours as job abilities which is a waste. I'd say it's much more effective to add abilities to the Summoner and the Pet. If SE made an actual Pet Focused job it'll be Beastmaster since their monsters are permanent and do a majority of the damage. The Summoner generally calls a summon monster which deals heavy damage for 20s does its big signature attack then leaves. The summons themselves were just flashy spell animations.

Originally Posted by AiiroOkami

So I will repeat it again, you can have as much pets as you want, we'll only use the best one, because we are DD and our job is to do the more damages we can, I won't use a less powerful pet just for the sake of "diversity".

Yes, well, if we're just repeating ourselves, the best pet doesn't have to be the same for every fight.

Originally Posted by SoloWingMetatron

What I don't understand is why the Egi glamour topic keeps going around in the exact same circle of reductive rhetoric.

Because it's the only thing SE has made any comments on. And I never liked the idea as a replacement solution for actual new pets. If it's the only thing we get, I'll still prolly use it, but that doesn't mean I'll just give SE a free pass.

Originally Posted by SoloWingMetatron

My point is we know nothing on exactly how this glamour system will be tackled and therefore no one can really form a well grounded opinion on that front.

We can still make some pretty simple educated inferences. From their responses we have every right to assume it's no different than armor glamour, since they actively opposed something like Summon IV+ and made no mention of models modifying potency or behavior. It's logical to comment on their official statements. If they do a system like that, it won't be because of anything they've told us as of this time.

Originally Posted by SoloWingMetatron

But if this thread is going to be truly constructive, then more depth needs to be added to peoples posts. Like in the first initial posts to this thread or in my previous comment how I mentioned how you brought up a good point about Garuda's/Titans's ability potency being increased, despite them just being glamours of E.Carby/T.Carby and what that could mean for the new Egi glamours. I don't get why you didn't focus on that to help get a good and actual constructive discussion going instead of keeping it to the same cycle of comments.

Forgive me if you weren't initially responding to me, but I'm aware of what Carby->Garuda does, considering I brought the point up in that very context. I wouldn't call them "just" glamours, their two functions of changing models and increasing potency are distinct from each other, especially since SE gave a pretty clear precedence with armor glamour. They're essentially pokemon evolutions, and yeah, that would be a neat system not a lot of MMOs have.

But I was being plenty constructive enough. New Summons aren't invalidated by peoples' need to use the best; a simple, and constructive, point. You latched onto what was clearly a side remark and are trying to force a conversation out of it when I was obviously talking about something else. I don't need a lecture because I didn't acquiesce.

Originally Posted by Saggo

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This is incredible how stubborn people can be.

SE tries to balance every job in the game, adding new pet is just too tricky.
For the sake of balance, new pets will just be useless or too OP. If they don't want that, they'll have to just add new models and animations but remain the same pet system as we have now, wait... that's the pet glamour system !

Investing time to make new pets is just useless, they can't make new type of pets (I will repeat myself again) because it would be either useless or too OP and the balance of the game will be broken.