NIN -- how does everyone else feel we're doing?

[Alahra]

I feel like they want NIN to be DoW utility, particularly Tank support with Goad, Shadewalker and Smoke Screen.
It would be more apparent if Hate wasn't trivial in most cases.

Shadewalker is decent enough, though I can't for the life of me figure out why they felt we needed two enmity toys. Shadewalker used at the beginning of a fight should cement enmity on the tank enough that it shouldn't be an issue beyond the opener. Even in the case of a tank death, Shadewalker can help to steady things again just fine.

[Allyrion]

Shadewalker is decent enough, though I can't for the life of me figure out why they felt we needed two enmity toys. Shadewalker used at the beginning of a fight should cement enmity on the tank enough that it shouldn't be an issue beyond the opener. Even in the case of a tank death, Shadewalker can help to steady things again just fine.

Shadewalker is great, I'm not underselling it.
PLDs could really use it to cement hate since they have more issues with that.
DRK and presumably WAR can use it to skip into putting up their debuffs on the target as opposed to building at the start.

Even Smoke Screen is good for a solo-ing whm when the SCH is mostly dpsing.
Though 2 abilities is overkill, it does highlight us as a Tank's best friend in addition to tanks being the Goad targets and sharing slashing damage with them (plus WAR synergy).

Just the way the content is designed makes the hate abilities ignorable.
Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. They are helpful but I don't think it would be good if they made it so that Tanks needed a NIN to hold Hate.

As it stands, it's okay. NIN's are pretty good Tank support, kind of like BRD-MCH to healers.
Even if most don't like to admit it.

[Alahra]

Shadewalker is great, I'm not underselling it.
-snip-
As it stands, it's okay. NIN's are pretty good Tank support, kind of like BRD-MCH to healers.
Even if most don't like to admit it.

Definitely. I honestly like it. I liked the way Trick Attack worked in FFXI, and Shadewalker fills a similar role. Smoke Screen would probably be more useful if it were an instant enmity drop, though I do suppose it would have been useful for Medica II-happy WHMs back in the days of Titan EX's relevance. (If I had a dollar for everytime he turned around and used Mountain Buster on the whole party...)

[Ryzue]

shadewalker is a good emnity skill and i like it but smoke screen... i hate that skill. it would be nice if it was instant emnity drop but i really think it should just be replaced with something to help NINs out with tp as some of the other melee classes can recover TP now. The HW gear is like Oprah Winfrey on SS which is annoying. DE needs an extension on it so we can get the chance to use AE more often then with Duality or unless there is a warrior in the party (which you hope they keep Storm's Eye up) and AC should be combo'd off of shadowfang, makes more sense imo.

[Jim_Berry]

I feel like they want NIN to be DoW utility, particularly Tank support with Goad, Shadewalker and Smoke Screen.
It would be more apparent if Hate wasn't trivial in most cases.

I can do that. Since I still play NIN (many NINs I know went DRG), if this mean that groups WANT/NEED me there for this reason, I'm happy.

[Ziral]

So- I'm not super experienced in all the new content yet.

I just find the general lack of cool attacks pretty unsatisfying. My boyfriend plays DRG and all his cool dragons flying around and how much he gets to move around for his skills makes me feel SUPER lame.

After learning more about how useful my new ninja skills are for parties I cut them some slack but overall I feel like the story line for our job and the skills given just aren't up to the same standard as DRG.

Our kit is just so calm vs others atm. Too much utility for my taste, it adds helpful things but if I wanted to be helpful I wouldn't be a murdering Ninja! :P

[SuzakuCMX]

*snip*

If it makes you feel any better, NIN are wanted in endgame because they give a slashing debuff that the tanks will benefit from and Trick Attack is a great DPS boost.

[Pluvia]

If it makes you feel any better, NIN are wanted in endgame because they give a slashing debuff that the tanks will benefit from and Trick Attack is a great DPS boost.

Meh more like trick attack and goad is why we're wanted Warriors are even wanted more so they cover the slashing debuff.

[Jim_Berry]

So- I'm not super experienced in all the new content yet.

I just find the general lack of cool attacks pretty unsatisfying. My boyfriend plays DRG and all his cool dragons flying around and how much he gets to move around for his skills makes me feel SUPER lame.

After learning more about how useful my new ninja skills are for parties I cut them some slack but overall I feel like the story line for our job and the skills given just aren't up to the same standard as DRG.

Our kit is just so calm vs others atm. Too much utility for my taste, it adds helpful things but if I wanted to be helpful I wouldn't be a murdering Ninja! :P

Having played Corsair (COR) a lot in Final Fantasy XIV, I loved utility > dps. I also was a NIN tank. I am a NIN now in FFXIV, and I love the utility.

[Jim_Berry]

Meh more like trick attack and goad is why we're wanted Warriors are even wanted more so they cover the slashing debuff.

Why is it that WAR has priority over NIN for the debuff? They both do 100 potency. Many enemies don't heal themselves. Is it so NIN can focus on other combos for greater damage?