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  1. #71
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    Gideon Highmourn
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    I think what Muahbec is saying is that the damage mitigated by SS (outside of progression, where both might be needed) is significantly less than the damage healed by Indomitability in AoE situations and the damage mitigated by placing SS for tank busters is less than Lustrate will restore. So, it's often a more efficient use of Aetherflow stacks/GCDs to just heal the damage with Indomitability/Lustrate than it would be to try to lessen the damage with SS, since you'd still have to follow the damage with an ET+Succor/Indom or ET+Adlo/Lustrate anyways.

    Spreading E4E is "fancy", but rarely actually useful, except when there are multiple tanks taking damage from multiple sources (A2 and A3 hand-split).
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    Last edited by GideonHighmourn; 08-07-2015 at 01:21 AM.

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    Veigas Shiffer
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by GideonHighmourn View Post
    I think what Muahbec is saying is that the damage mitigated by SS (outside of progression, where both might be needed) is significantly less than the damage healed by Indomitability in AoE situations and the damage mitigated by placing SS for tank busters is less than Lustrate will restore. So, it's often a more efficient use of Aetherflow stacks/GCDs to just heal the damage with Indomitability/Lustrate than it would be to try to lessen the damage with SS, since you'd still have to follow the damage with an ET+Succor/Indom or ET+Adlo/Lustrate anyways.

    Spreading E4E is "fancy", but rarely actually useful, except when there are multiple tanks taking damage from multiple sources (A2 and A3 hand-split).
    Exactly, thank you.
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  3. #73
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leiloni View Post
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    SS might be useful against raid wide damage but for tank busters? Nope.
    10% damage mitigation for a single target that eats a golden aetherflow stack is not worth it.
    Think about it, if tank receives 7k damage it will only mitigate 700, the 6,300 damage would still need to be burst healed.
    Does 10% helps?
    Sure do.
    But as i said, in raid wide damage, where you will use your AOE heal anyway, reducing 10% damage taken from a whole party its really useful and powerful, but using it for a single target its not worth it. E4E may be RNG but still, 20% change to trigger in every hit, and that will not reduce the damage the TANK receives it will reduce every single damage that targer deals.
    You could have been more specific in your question so i wouldn't sound rude. Thank you.
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  4. #74
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    Leiloni Kahu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muahbec View Post
    You could have been more specific in your question so i wouldn't sound rude.
    I thought I was specific and tried to keep it simple - RNG vs no RNG was literally my only question and Gideon nicely explained the thought process so thank you Gideon for that. It's disappointing it's not more useful. No need to continually be rude to me because you made assumptions. That's not my fault.
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  5. #75
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    Susubi Subi
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    Another buff thread???? AST is fine..we need minor card tweaks and 1 cooldown to increase our healing... If u buff us too much no one would want a whm as we already heal like them just that we lack cooldown to increase our healing... I bet u that half of the astrologians in this thread are people who is currently leveling, or doing duty with bad tanks .... Or simply do not know how to use there toolkit ... I'm ilvl 190 now and I had no problems with it ... There been times where I felt a cooldown to help me heal would be nice... But other then that I don't feel like I need anything and I solo heal a1 a2 a3 Ravana and Bismark and still have MP to play with and I will be doing savage once my partner gears up and I'm excited to heals as AST in it
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  6. #76
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    And yes I use everything in my toolkit there is ALOT of tricks u can do with an astrologians
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  7. #77
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yhisa View Post
    Another buff thread???? AST is fine..we need minor card tweaks and 1 cooldown to increase our healing... If u buff us too much no one would want a whm as we already heal like them just that we lack cooldown to increase our healing... I bet u that half of the astrologians in this thread are people who is currently leveling, or doing duty with bad tanks .... Or simply do not know how to use there toolkit ... I'm ilvl 190 now and I had no problems with it ... There been times where I felt a cooldown to help me heal would be nice... But other then that I don't feel like I need anything and I solo heal a1 a2 a3 Ravana and Bismark and still have MP to play with and I will be doing savage once my partner gears up and I'm excited to heals as AST in it
    Most people commenting have geared level 60 AST's that they've done most if not all of the content with.
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  8. #78
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    Derek Skyshadow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yhisa View Post
    And yes I use everything in my toolkit there is ALOT of tricks u can do with an astrologians
    Once you do savage, come talk to me. Feel fre to give your CO healer a back massage, because he's gonna need it with all that carrying.

    Parse your Hps. The world is dying know how skilled you are.
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  9. #79
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    Another buff thread???? AST is fine..we need minor card tweaks and 1 cooldown to increase our healing... If u buff us too much no one would want a whm as we already heal like them just that we lack cooldown to increase our healing... I bet u that half of the astrologians in this thread are people who is currently leveling, or doing duty with bad tanks .... Or simply do not know how to use there toolkit ... I'm ilvl 190 now and I had no problems with it ... There been times where I felt a cooldown to help me heal would be nice... But other then that I don't feel like I need anything and I solo heal a1 a2 a3 Ravana and Bismark and still have MP to play with and I will be doing savage once my partner gears up and I'm excited to heals as AST in it
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    Also congrats on healing ravana. It's been out for nearly 2 months of you weren't aware.
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