Fellow WHMs: Hive Cane or Eso?

[mp-please]

Decided to run some tests, pretty much heal spam x50 w/o considering crits, making a average and dividing the difference between the stats to determine how much each affects healing points. This is pretty much what could be concluded.

5 det = 1 mnd
8 mnd = 1 WD

1 WD = +~39 heal points
1 mnd = +~4.7 heal points
1 det = +~0.9 heal points

With this, the average healing from swapping from hive to AF2 should increase 50 points. Meanwhile the setup i described on my previous post increases the average healing by 100 points. Obviously this doesn't take in account 2 things, crit rngeesus and limit break dmg. Crit is too random to be measured properly and LB, lol.

SS, DPS, DoT and HoT wise, I really don't feel like to beat the crap out of a dummy 200 times and watch dots tick another 400 to measure how much SS and det affects dots/hots

[DeadRiser]

Ahh. The good thing about being a healer. We can put vanity first

Meaning I'm getting my white mage gear first then I'll get my cane. But by then, we might have relics out.

[Lorielle]

I personally picked out the Eso Weapon(even though Gordian Staff is clearly the winner in stats). But I'm going to chuckle if Relic 3.1 is going to require Esoteric Weapons. But anyway, the bit of cures as well the extra damage(if you're Cleric Dancing) is quite useful in Savage. What I feel is that the body is outdone by Gordian and Prototye(Both are Spell Speed and Piety). Most of the Fabled gear is better than your Gordian Counterparts from what I've seen though which is a change up as Raid gear usually favored WHM over SCH.

[Zoberraz]

I went for Chest first. This week, I'm going for boots. My feeling was that these two pieces contributed in large part to the WHM AF2 look.

Another reason I chose to delay getting the Antiquated Seraph Cane was because of the investment I had already put into trying to earn the Hive Cane. I completed BismarkEx, and then RavanaEx, and I've so far gotten 5 of the 10 totems I need to obtain the Hive Cane. Had I gone for the Antiquated Seraph Cane right away, I would've kind of devalued that past effort.

So, in the meantime, I'll gather esoterics for other pieces. Once I'll obtain my Hive Cane, I'll use it for a bit. I figure, as the weeks pass, that eventually I'll run out of other things to buy for esos and then buy the Antiquated Seraph Cane, or patch 3.1 will hit and I'll be able to obtain this "Primal" weapon thing which is supposed to succeed my Nirvana Zeta.

That is, as long as there doesn't seem to be a pressing need for the extra stats given by the Antiquated Seraph Cane. But so far my companions and I have managed past the Faust DPS check. I've yet to complete A1S, and it's true that it's very demanding in healing, but I want to see how the Hive Cane will help cope before I commit to an eso grind that'll have a payout only 3 weeks later (over which I'll likely glamour my Nirvana Zeta... so it'd only be for stats and not for looks).

[Risvertasashi]

Decided to run some tests

Thanks for sharing those

[Litner]

Decided to run some tests, pretty much heal spam x50 w/o considering crits, making a average and dividing the difference between the stats to determine how much each affects healing points. This is pretty much what could be concluded.

With this, the average healing from swapping from hive to AF2 should increase 50 points. Meanwhile the setup i described on my previous post increases the average healing by 100 points. Obviously this doesn't take in account 2 things, crit rngeesus and limit break dmg. Crit is too random to be measured properly and LB, lol.

1 WD = +~39 heal points
1 mnd = +~4.7 heal points
1 det = +~0.9 heal points

78 (WD) + 42.3 (MND) = 123  (Antiquated Seraph Cane)

51.7 (MND) + 51.3 (DET) = 111 (Legs + Head)

Using your own table on page 2 of this thread and the values in your own post. Please check your own calculations.

[Legacy_Wolfwood]

I'm going with ->my<- BiS buy order for Eso:

Esoteric Buy Order:
w1: -
w2: Orion Skirt
w3: Orison Hood
w4: Fabled Belt of Healing
w5: Orison Fingerless Glove
w6: Fabled Ring of Healing
w7: Fabled Earrings of Healing

afterwards, depending on what I am missing from Savage, the priority will be:

Weapon>Chest>Feet>Ring 2>Necklace>Bracelet

Currently, as of week 3 i have 2 options:

i200 weapon with i190 head and i190 pants:
Total:

Weapon Damage: 102
Defense: 269
Magic Defense: 470
Vitality: 221
Mind: 240
Piety: 148
Spell Speed: 33
Critical Hit Rate: 193

OR

i190 weapon with i200 head and i200 pants:
Total:

Weapon Damage: 100
Defense: 291
Magic Defense: 509
Vitality: 226
Mind: 242
Piety: 149
Spell Speed: 95
Determination: 137

Now, I don't know what the new 3.0 stat weighs are (if it is was actually changed, I thought determination was only changed for auto attacks), but originally 1 wd is about 8 mind with 1 mind about 5~7 determination.

using my 2 build comparisons we have:

i200 weapon with i190 head and i190 pants:
Total:

Weapon Damage: +2
Defense: -22
Magic Defense: -39
Vitality: -4
Mind: -2
Piety: -1
Spell Speed: -62
Critical Hit Rate: +193
Determination: -137

VS

i190 weapon with i200 head and i200 pants:
Total:

Weapon Damage: -2
Defense: +22
Magic Defense: +39
Vitality: +4
Mind: +2
Piety: +1
Spell Speed: +62
Critical Hit Rate: -193
Determination: +137

So if the original formula is correct, 2 WD = 16 mind. That 16 mind - 2 mind =14 mind left "above" build 2. 137 determination/ 8 Determination(just in case its a little higher) = 17.125 mind. so 14 mind - 17 mind(round down cause i like clean numbers lol) = -3 Mind over Build 2.

So Build 2 with i190 Weapon with i200 Head and Legs has roughly a +3 Mind Advantage. (and it could be bigger since i used "8", if you use "7" its about +5, if you use "6" its about an +8~9, and if you use "5" its about +13. Hell, even if you used "9" its +1 and if you used "10" its just about break even LOL). Not only that, it also has an advantage in EVERY stat other than Critical Hit Rate, which the RNG Gods dont like me anyways lol...

Plus, Spell Speed has been buffed to enhance your HoTs. Which is a pretty good increase making Sp.Spd a nice stat to stack up on.

(note: again my math may be bad, so if other want to correct me please do lol but this is how i am going about my Esoterics)

[BushWookie]

So I went ahead and picked up the Eso cane and glamd the hive cane over it.

Best of both worlds.

[mp-please]

1 WD = +~39 heal points
1 mnd = +~4.7 heal points
1 det = +~0.9 heal points

78 (WD) + 42.3 (MND) = 123  (Antiquated Seraph Cane)

51.7 (MND) + 51.3 (DET) = 111 (Legs + Head)

Using your own table on page 2 of this thread and the values in your own post. Please check your own calculations.

You forgot to subtract the det from passing from hive to AF2

[Menardy]

well, i know this is a bit early, but i calculated my personal bis 210 gear which i want to use and getting 918 crit (which is about 100 crit more than a sch can get by default) is reason enough for me to get the eso cane.