Fellow WHMs: Hive Cane or Eso?

[MXMoondoggie]

I guess my question really boils down to what stats are better for WHM? SS and Det, or Crit and Pie?

I'm really leaning toward SS and Det.

I find stacking as much PIE as possible is more helpful than most other things. The benefit from DET is marginal at best CRIT is random but can be useful. SS eh still not sure this does much ultimately but helps a little. A SS buff from food is just easier to use so you can have other stats on your weapon but if you have the Hive Cane and want to use it you can probably do just fine if you'd prefer to go for other upgrades first. If yo don't have Hive Cane just get the Esoterics cane now.

[Raminax]

As much as I like Determination, I'm severely doubtful the Determination from the Hive Cane is enough to outdo the 2 WD and 9 Mind gain from getting the Seraph Cane. Considering that the value of secondary stats for Dragoons have heavily decreased with Heavensward, White Mages (and all other Jobs) are likely in the same boat where primary stats and WD triumph over all.

Naturally, stat weights can't be applied to healers the same way they can be applied to a DPS, but food for thought. But if all you care about is booty...

[Gist]

I guess my question really boils down to what stats are better for WHM? SS and Det, or Crit and Pie?

I'm really leaning toward SS and Det.

I personally have had more use out of Pie and Crit.

[SovereignAegis]

Hive weapon until Relic in 3.1 hands down.

The armor will actually mean something to me come 3.1, the weapon however does not and isn't enough of an upgrade from Hive Cane to warrant me blowing 3 weeks of Eso tomes on.

To me the only reason people should consider buying the eso weapon is if they don't have the Hive weapons, the difference is so minute that it is negligible when you put the tomes into upgrading i180 chest/the rest.

[Gist]

Yeah but 3.1 is gonna be a long while away (two-three months?). I'd rather have something I'd be able to clear the content with now versus in a few months. Doing content while it's fresh has that feel, you know?

[Psychosamm]

Got my cane today, my MP increased by 400~ and my cure increase by roughly 200 hp. Seems well worth it to me. I will say however tonight in savage there was definitely a noticeable difference in my spell speed. To the point i was like, "man, this feels really slow" which i was extremely surprised about.

[Ereavin]

Got my cane also, nice boost on MP and Cure (200'ish I think). Well casual stuff for me anyway, so yeah doesn't really matter much.

[mp-please]

Considering a person with full proto gordion sets and hive weapon that either replaces weapon for AF2 or hat+pants for AF2 (and why pants and not robe? crit is bad)



The only question that stays is, does 2 mnd and 57 det cover 2 WD? Iirc the old formula was 4 det = 1 mnd = 0.25 WD, if its still the same then 57 det = 3.5 WD, needs more testing regardless.

Personally i went for the setup i just explained for 2 reasons, both pants and hat are absolute bis. Not a single piece from alexander will replace them eventually while weapon is replaceable by both alexander savage weapon and relic in a near future.

[Litner]

Taking into consideration the stat weights for dragoon that were given by Dervy, and his determination theory that it scales off of weapon damage and to some extent character level, determination scaling is most likely NOT the same as it was before, and you can perform that test yourself just by switching your weapons around. Doing around 100 cures with both the Hive Cane and the Antiquated Seraph Cane, for me with my gear, I have a max Cure 1 value of 3050 with the Hive Cane, and a max Cure 1 value of 3080 with the ASC. Even with this slightly small sample size, we can come to the conclusion that the old determination values do not apply here, and that the 2 WD > 80 DET.

[Cerick]

I guess my question really boils down to what stats are better for WHM? SS and Det, or Crit and Pie?

I'm really leaning toward SS and Det.

It is personal preference, what works for you? My personal preference is Piety, Det, Crit. SS appeal is dying in my opinion now with AE instant heal, our instant Cure 2, Swift Cast insert heal here.. I've not seen anything that I can't heal fast enough on with our new skills.