FFXIV better stop doing what WoW's doing, because its losing millions of subs.

[Kotemon]

Gating will always exist in one way or another

You lack the stats to get/kill said objective

You dont have the stats/skills/items required for our raid group

Gating is either dev enforced or community enforced.

This reminds me a lot of content back in FFXI.

[Adventica6]

And how would un-gating everything in the game go, unlimited scrips or estorics, you would have everything you wanted in a week.

People didn't quit wow because of gating (the only gate in wow is your iq) they quit because there was no content, not because there was a gate on it.

[GalkaBikini]

WoW is losing subs because all they ever add is the same old crap and people are finally getting tired of it. When they FINALLY decided to add a new system to the game (Garrisons), it was a flop. WoW is not what it should be. It's a sorry excuse for a Warcraft franchise game. The fact that the game is nearly 11 years old and there STILL isn't any real naval combat is an ABSOLUTE DISGRACE. I could go on and on...

Also lol @ people thinking WoW has gates. l o l.

[Wizarus]

And how would un-gating everything in the game go, unlimited scrips or estorics, you would have everything you wanted in a week.

People didn't quit wow because of gating (the only gate in wow is your iq) they quit because there was no content, not because there was a gate on it.

So that's the excuse? If you have nothing to do after you have everything you want in a week, than there is a late-game problem. The cap right now doesn't do anything but give off the illusion of late-game.

[jomoru]

So you point to the other extreme. Then FFXIV 2.0 should have crashed and burned too right? It didn't have LFR or easy mode raiding. I already know there is nothing that I will say that will change people minds on this topic, it's like arguing religion with someone that's religious. They don't care about the facts, only their opinion.

considering your facts are just wrong? But then the Hardmode gamers needs his faith in his god because reality is biased against him. ARR launched with a Dungeon finder. It has a whole raid tier that's PURE casual there's no 24 man hard mode. Only LFR level of difficulty easy mode out there. Alex Normal is pretty much LFR mode now equivalently.

[Vinestra]

They left because there was NOTHING to do.

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

considering your facts are just wrong?

When i started playing ffxiv 2.0, after I hit 50 I spent roughly 2 months taking down each EX primal one at a time. Then I spent about 4 months going through each turn of coil 1 at a time. that's 6 months of quality content.

In heavensward I spent 4 hours beating alexander normal mode and have no desire to do savage because it's the exact same bosses.... the game doesn't need "moar content" it need content that can't be beaten in a single play session. It needs esoterics that take longer than 4 hours a week to cap. With the increased drop rate of alex normal I find myself not really needing to run each alex floor more than once.

For gearing purposes there is roughly 5 hours of gameplay each week. Which is prob why people are so upset with the amount of "gating"

[Zumi]

I think it had more to do they had only 2 raid tiers in their expansion and a huge lack of content they are already set to announce their next expansion and ask for another $60 from their players. I know a lot of people quit that game to play FFXIV.

[StrejdaTom]

In heavensward I spent 4 hours beating alexander normal mode and have no desire to do savage because it's the exact same bosses.... the game doesn't need "moar content" it need content that can't be beaten in a single play session. It needs esoterics that take longer than 4 hours a week to cap. With the increased drop rate of alex normal I find myself not really needing to run each alex floor more than once.

I can already see all the rant, I wish we had more challenging content, problem is that people who don't want challenge use new players as their meatshield saying that they need to make old content almost soloable, so now I am just playing with my friend who is new to the game, already 52 and finished every duty and trial on first try as a tank, kinda sad to look at him as he is finding some challenge where there is none, I don't even think he will make it to 60 before leaving out of boredoom.

I actually don't understand why FFXIV community has the mentality that every dungeon and story trial has to be finished on first try, this is probably the first MMO where I don't wipe in new dungeons when they release them.. and honestly it feels bad. I want to wipe more, not only on savage raids.

[Asierid]

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Which is odd because the EX primals were not that hard at all. And if you're going to compare coil to alex, then savage would be more of an even comparison with the nerf to raids...which was asked for, BTW. You can't even begin to compare them if you won't do savage, which is also a pretty naive statement seeing as its a completely different fight with the new moves they have.

The people who are upset are those who forgot this is how it was since 2.0. Only difference is we have 2 dungeons instead of spamming CM over and over.