Just buff Astrologians

[Viviza]

I'm a dragoon, and seeing what ASTs are dealing with disgusts me. Buff them. Just buff their potencies by like 20%. Who gives a shit. Deal with class mechanics later, when you figure it out. There are players who have invested in this class, and literally cannot play the game because of it.

Just buff them. Make them overpowered. Nobody gives a shit at this point.

Fixing a job by making them overpowered doesn't work because it makes the other jobs weak by comparison. You just shift the problem elsewhere. Proper correction takes some consideration to put everyone on an even level. Job balance in an MMO is always about making all players feel that they are useful.

The numerical values on AST heals are comparable to the others if you factor in their sects. Benefic for example has 399 potency compared to Cure at 400. The problem is that AST lack panic buttons and are by design meant to be a more supportive healer, but fails at this. It might be by design that AST healing is more fragile than others, but then they need to offer a very convincing case that their supportive features are worth it in exchange. When the job is adjusted we'll have a better idea of the design philosophy.

AST aren't hurting as bad as is being dramatized. There's no community ban on them -- most of these stories are exaggerated in order to add impact to their statements. They are slightly out of favor in progression raiding, and SE has already pointed out that they are using this data as feedback for adjustments. It will take time. Be patient.

[Kayleen]

AST aren't hurting as bad as is being dramatized.

This leads me to believe you havent actually tried AST in Savage.

[TatoRazzino]

I was doing AST/WHM in A1 Savage yesterday and my WHM died for some reason. I raised him and solo healed the thing while he got back on his feet. So it's not anywhere near what people are saying it is. Every job needs adjusts, in my opinion, including WHM (I think the Overcure trait needs reworking, because it's almost always wasted) and SCH (I believe Dissipation needs a potency buff and Indomitability needs an Special Effect that returns an Aetherflow stack or something). AST may need more, because it is new, but it's not broken like people claim it is.

[Viviza]

This leads me to believe you havent actually tried AST in Savage.

Doesn't matter. People lie and exaggerate to lend weight to their stories and goals. Perhaps I'm lying. You don't know. Point is, anecdotal reports of who is doing what don't carry much weight. The forums are a good place to discuss issues, but do not well represent what the greater community is doing. The stats on which jobs are getting into Alex Savage, and which jobs are clearing turns, are there for SE to see and think upon. That's what matters.

[DkDerek]

I was doing AST/WHM in A1 Savage yesterday and my WHM died for some reason. I raised him and solo healed the thing while he got back on his feet. So it's not anywhere near what people are saying it is. Every job needs adjusts, in my opinion, including WHM (I think the Overcure trait needs reworking, because it's almost always wasted) and SCH (I believe Dissipation needs a potency buff and Indomitability needs an Special Effect that returns an Aetherflow stack or something). AST may need more, because it is new, but it's not broken like people claim it is.

A scholar wouldn't have wasted the gcd raising the whm. He was busy keeping the raid topped off while pumping out 400 DPS and buffing the party with haste.

[Pentt]

I was doing AST/WHM in A1 Savage yesterday and my WHM died for some reason. I raised him and solo healed the thing while he got back on his feet. So it's not anywhere near what people are saying it is. Every job needs adjusts, in my opinion, including WHM (I think the Overcure trait needs reworking, because it's almost always wasted) and SCH (I believe Dissipation needs a potency buff and Indomitability needs an Special Effect that returns an Aetherflow stack or something). AST may need more, because it is new, but it's not broken like people claim it is.

Dear god no, as a SCH main we do NOT need buffs. Your WHM probably died from hard landing in a1s, because if he died during preys and busters I guarantee it would be a wipe.

[Muahbec]

I love E4E as much as the next person but why would you trade a guaranteed 10% less damage on everything hitting you for an RNG based skill that even if it procs may only hit certain targets and not others?

It can be spread with DT and it has its own CD
Wasting a stack on SS when you have lustrate and indomitability is not that smart to be honest D:
(i don't want to sound rude please.)

[Muahbec]

In what universe Lightspeed is a HEALING cooldown? It doesn't do anything to your healing output, since it doesn't affect your GCD, only your cast time. If you're trying to use it to top a tank, you're gonna fail every time. It's a skill that allows you to have more breathing room to weave your off GCD skills, just like the Enhanced Benefic trait. Your comments only show how you failed to understand the job in its most basic aspects.

And THATS the problem, it's not a healing CD when it should be.
The instant cast is only useful when you have to move, but what about the recast timer? Reducing the recast timer by like...1 second would turn it into an emergency/healing CD (also reducing its cooldown please .___.)

[Assirra]

I love how people imply that you can overcome the internal mechanics of SCH, but you can't do it as AST. People are assuming that it's a broken job just because they can't play it, it's pathetic. I love the inherent complexity that AST has and how you have to be smart about using everything.
Also, another thing: don't forget that Fey Illumination is also an AoE, so if use it near an AST/WHM, their AoE regen will also be boosted. It's also a gap filling skill, which is fine. It's a very nice skill to have and boosting both healers is what makes Eos so valuable. SCH is not supposed to be a bad healer, but people deny it's inherent complexity and how it is harder to master than WHM. And they also deny that AST has some tools they only have with cooldowns or with stacks, as if it was not a thing you need to work out.

How about for once giving an actual explanation for all your nonsense? It's always the same in every thread.
"complexity, you are all noobs, you just dont get it"
But do we ever get some actual info? Of course not.

[Leiloni]

It can be spread with DT and it has its own CD
Wasting a stack on SS when you have lustrate and indomitability is not that smart to be honest D:
(i don't want to sound rude please.)

Don't assume things that I didn't say for starters. I haven't leveled my SCH past 50 so I don't have the new skills. I was literally just asking a question about tactics and not making suggestions as to how to play with new skills that I don't even have. You made a comment about how you prefer to use things so I was asking the thought process behind it to better understand why.


Although my question still stands - why do you find RNG mitigation better than guaranteed mitigation? Are you saying you'd rather waste a stack/CD on healing the tank up after taking damage as opposed to preventing it to begin with? I'm just struggling to see the logic. If the entire raid is going to be hit by a large AoEs and you want a near guaranteed chance of E4E hitting your target(s) than yes, DT and E4E sounds like a great tactic to do that without wasting an Aetherflow stack. Although that only really sounds useful if you expect another large AoE on your raid, or you're expecting large tank hits right after that. Because the mitigation from E4E comes after they get hit in that case, and is only useful for people that will be getting hit again. But if you just need mitigation for one/two tanks and you're not as concerned about raid wide protection, or if you want guaranteed protection for any amount of players before one or two big hits, wouldn't SS be a far better way to go? Or you could I suppose also throw E4E on the tank a bit before a big hit or big AoE if you can time it well so it has time to proc and still be up when the hit goes off, but that sounds too hard lol.

If there's any other 60 SCH who want to comment as well I'd love to know how you prefer to make use of these skills because I'm quite curious now as to the desired usages.