Skills/spells you see no reason to use since you got to 60?

[Zfz]

Or even before that?

For PLD, I still find every single skill useful most of the time. The least useful is probably Tempered Will. Where it would have made a good difference it was made useless; otherwise it's more like a convenience button only when you are simply too lazy to move.

For BLM

• Blizzard, Blizzard2: if I have my rotation right I shouldn't need this anyway. And I don't think I've used it since I started Heavensward.
• Thunder, Thunder2: use Thunder 3 anyway and a lot of the times the refresh is done with the proc.
• Sleep: everything that even remotely matters are immune anyway.
• Freeze: honestly don't think I've found a use for it at 50 either.
• Lethargy: very borderline useless. VERY.

I wish these less used older spells could somehow be used to "link up" the level 60 rotation for when we have to move. For example having Fire4 give 10 seconds instant Freeze, and let Freeze extend Enochian for 10 seconds or something like that. Or having Thunder jump to every target within 5m when the main target it hits is frozen in place. Otherwise I'm seriously thinking about taking a few of these off my hotbars...

For WHM:

• Stone2: I use Stone for its Slow but that's only in Syrcus Tower anyway. Otherwise Stone2 and Stone both don't see any use unless I'm syncced, and Stone2 is on my hotbar 100% because I find it extremely irritating to have to put it back up when I'm syncced. Seriously Stone3 and Stone2 is probably the most representative waste of hotbar slot in this game.
• Repose: same as the situation with Sleep.

What skills/spells you haven't used/seen a reason to use since you leveled up to 60?

Most of the useless skills in PvE are the best in PvP:
Feint for DRG
Hyoton and Doton for NIN (Doton is not really useless in PvE but still...)
One Ilm Punch for MNK
Tri-Bind for SMN
Repose for WHM
Sleep, Freeze and Lethargy for BLM
.....

Good point. Let's keep this on PvE only, then. PvP is a whole different world.

[Ashkendor]

[*]Stone2: I use Stone for its Slow but that's only in Syrcus Tower anyway. Otherwise Stone2 and Stone both don't see any use unless I'm syncced, and Stone2 is on my hotbar 100% because I find it extremely irritating to have to put it back up when I'm syncced. Seriously Stone3 and Stone2 is probably the most representative waste of hotbar slot in this game.

You could just make a macro for Stone 3 and Stone 2 together. Have it cast Stone 3 first, so that'll be the default. If you're in synced content, it'll give an error and cast stone 2 instead. Frees up your hotbar space. ^^

[Gilraen]

I've actually found use for abilities that seemed useless to me pre 51~60. Barrage, being an auto-attack buff, never saw any use before Heavensward. Now I try to keep it handy for when I need to triple-down an action. I never used Hawk's Eye, either. Now it's part of my buff macro. Seriously, Heavensward opened my class' potential, not stifled it.

[Zfz]

You could just make a macro for Stone 3 and Stone 2 together. Have it cast Stone 3 first, so that'll be the default. If you're in synced content, it'll give an error and cast stone 2 instead.

I was going to but at the moment I still have enough slots to give to Stone 2, so I just left it there. In 4.0 I'll probably have to do that, though.

Also, does the spell queuing work properly with that macro? I know for some announcement macros it could get interfered by stuff like animation lock and such ending up with the macro half-executed.

[Kit-Kat]

SCH: Dissipation. Like seriously, you really hate SCHs, don't you? ; ;

[UltimateAoe2]

If I see a bard saying The Wanderer's Paean is useless/someone doesn't use it and there's a Warrior in the party...

>.>... wark.


Ruin 1 on Scholar. CAUSE BROIL!
Only other thing I /rarely/ use is Shadowbind...but let's face it. It's pretty useless outside of T7. (Except PVP.)

[Kit-Kat]

If I see a bard saying The Wanderer's Paean is useless/someone doesn't use it and there's a Warrior in the party...

>.>... wark.


Ruin 1 on Scholar. CAUSE BROIL!
Only other thing I /rarely/ use is Shadowbind...but let's face it. It's pretty useless outside of T7. (Except PVP.)

I honestly always used Ruin II, never used I. lol

[StouterTaru]

For BLM

• Blizzard, Blizzard2: if I have my rotation right I shouldn't need this anyway. And I don't think I've used it since I started Heavensward.
• Thunder, Thunder2: use Thunder 3 anyway and a lot of the times the refresh is done with the proc.
• Sleep: everything that even remotely matters are immune anyway.
• Freeze: honestly don't think I've found a use for it at 50 either.
• Lethargy: very borderline useless. VERY.

I still use Blizzard II for my AoE rotation sometimes, if Flare > Transpose leaves trash mobs all below 10%.

Snapcast > Thunder > Fire III > Thundercloud different mob is my opener when it's 2-3 mobs.

Lethargy I drop when using a Thundercloud/Firestarter proc on mobs that aren't immune, normally trash. A little bit of slow is better than nothing.

[Mezzu]

Most of the useless skills in PvE are the best in PvP:
Feint for DRG
Hyoton and Doton for NIN (Doton is not really useless in PvE but still...)
One Ilm Punch for MNK
Tri-Bind for SMN
Repose for WHM
Sleep, Freeze and Lethargy for BLM
.....

[Whiteroom]

WHM: Repose, has been removed from my hotbar before I even needed to use my Quick Bar.

AST: Stella