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    Gilraen's Avatar
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    Gilraen Bior
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    I've actually found use for abilities that seemed useless to me pre 51~60. Barrage, being an auto-attack buff, never saw any use before Heavensward. Now I try to keep it handy for when I need to triple-down an action. I never used Hawk's Eye, either. Now it's part of my buff macro. Seriously, Heavensward opened my class' potential, not stifled it.
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    Overlord Rikkustrife
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilraen View Post
    I've actually found use for abilities that seemed useless to me pre 51~60. Barrage, being an auto-attack buff, never saw any use before Heavensward. Now I try to keep it handy for when I need to triple-down an action. I never used Hawk's Eye, either. Now it's part of my buff macro. Seriously, Heavensward opened my class' potential, not stifled it.
    What, hawk's eye didn't change, so if it was useless before it would be useless now, and it was never useless, it increased dexterity by 15%, which increased your damage, and barrage increased auto-attack rate, which was also a good ability
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    Kitty Monsk
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    Lancer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilraen View Post
    I've actually found use for abilities that seemed useless to me pre 51~60. Barrage, being an auto-attack buff, never saw any use before Heavensward. Now I try to keep it handy for when I need to triple-down an action. I never used Hawk's Eye, either. Now it's part of my buff macro. Seriously, Heavensward opened my class' potential, not stifled it.
    Why where you not using hawk eye and barrage in ogdc spots? They where good in ARR as there are now, straight up dps gains.
    Anyways Feint fro DRG is useless not even on my bar.
    Collective unconscious (next to useless) and malph. 1 (if I don't have the mana to cast malph. 2 there is no reason to be casting 1) for AST.
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    T'aretha Tyaka
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    Bard Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilraen View Post
    I've actually found use for abilities that seemed useless to me pre 51~60. Barrage, being an auto-attack buff, never saw any use before Heavensward. Now I try to keep it handy for when I need to triple-down an action. I never used Hawk's Eye, either. Now it's part of my buff macro. Seriously, Heavensward opened my class' potential, not stifled it.
    Well, I know that you probably don't care but I just have to give fellow bard some advices, don't take it as an insult, just trying to help.

    There is not any macro that is kinda useful for BRD. It always lowers your performance, it is better not to blow away all buffs at once, which buff macro usually does.
    It is better to start with quelling strikes + hawks eye + raging strikes > bloodletter + straightshot > blood for blood + internal release + windbite > potion + venomous bite > Barrage + Empyreal + Sidewinder and so on and so on (praise the BRD lordKrietor, master of arrows) and then use buffs when they are ready (using blood for blood,raging strikes and barrage at the same time with empyreal).
    If you are using any other macros on BRD I would suggest letting them go, it is kinda hard at the beginning but when you get used to it you will be epic.

    Also.. barrage and hawks eye were enormously useful even pre-Heavensward. Especially barrage meant huge DPS buff as our auto-attack was already about 20% of our damage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikkustrife View Post
    What, hawk's eye didn't change, so if it was useless before it would be useless now, and it was never useless, it increased dexterity by 15%, which increased your damage, and barrage increased auto-attack rate, which was also a good ability
    Exactly, they were never useless.

    To the topic: Even that I use Wanderers Paen for our WAR in savage at the start of fight, I believe the skill is useless except that and it would be 10 times better if it was instacast. It is just too weak to cost us 3 seconds.
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    Last edited by StrejdaTom; 08-06-2015 at 01:25 AM. Reason: Added quote

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    Final Spark
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    Bard Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by StrejdaTom View Post

    To the topic: Even that I use Wanderers Paen for our WAR in savage at the start of fight, I believe the skill is useless except that and it would be 10 times better if it was instacast. It is just too weak to cost us 3 seconds.
    Ugh, should tell that to my warrior...
    We argued that it's a DPS loss if I use it mid battle...nope...considers that I'm "transferring my DPS to him" since he's not getting pacified.

    .-.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UltimateAoe2 View Post
    Ugh, should tell that to my warrior...
    We argued that it's a DPS loss if I use it mid battle...nope...considers that I'm "transferring my DPS to him" since he's not getting pacified.

    .-.
    I would slap him. WARs need a strong hand that puts them in their place.
    I also slap healers if they die or overuse they mana. I am strict bard.

    I wouldn't let people run out of mana but when someone dies > healer has to ress for lalafelload of mana, it's slap time.
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    Last edited by StrejdaTom; 08-06-2015 at 01:36 AM.

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    Nadirah Serenity
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilraen View Post
    I've actually found use for abilities that seemed useless to me pre 51~60. Barrage, being an auto-attack buff, never saw any use before Heavensward. Now I try to keep it handy for when I need to triple-down an action. I never used Hawk's Eye, either. Now it's part of my buff macro. Seriously, Heavensward opened my class' potential, not stifled it.
    Barrage was SOOOOOOO much better before HW changed it.. and the only reason they changed it was because WM got rid of auto attacks.

    if you think the previous incarnation sucked you were insane.
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    Player Kaze3434's Avatar
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    Rumina Asou
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilraen View Post
    I've actually found use for abilities that seemed useless to me pre 51~60. Barrage, being an auto-attack buff, never saw any use before Heavensward. Now I try to keep it handy for when I need to triple-down an action. I never used Hawk's Eye, either. Now it's part of my buff macro. Seriously, Heavensward opened my class' potential, not stifled it.
    you stifled your jobs potential by not reading tool tips. barrage was great pre-HW, and its good post-HW. And really? you never used hawk eye? its a straight boost to your main stat. it always has been.
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    Last edited by Kaze3434; 08-06-2015 at 03:31 AM.

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    Pascal Leroux
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilraen View Post
    I've actually found use for abilities that seemed useless to me pre 51~60. Barrage, being an auto-attack buff, never saw any use before Heavensward. Now I try to keep it handy for when I need to triple-down an action. I never used Hawk's Eye, either. Now it's part of my buff macro. Seriously, Heavensward opened my class' potential, not stifled it.
    it hardly matters now but old barrage made your auto attacks do 300 potency every 3 seconds, and hawks eye increase your main stat by 15%. they were incredible, there was no reason not to use them.

    oh ya and to stay on topic. thunder 2, smn physick, uhhhhhhhhh mnk haymaker outside of soloing i guess
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    Last edited by bideogames; 08-06-2015 at 03:49 AM.

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    Asherah Morou
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilraen View Post
    I've actually found use for abilities that seemed useless to me pre 51~60. Barrage, being an auto-attack buff, never saw any use before Heavensward. Now I try to keep it handy for when I need to triple-down an action.
    Me too. I love Barrage now...
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    Last edited by Jacosta; 08-06-2015 at 07:27 AM.

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