Fix the damn PVP queues

[Stormrider]

Stuff.

Actually Wolves Den has built in restrictions in the que. It can be manipulated to create instant pops. In fact before 3.0 they had several Fridays that they were able to put a bunch of teams in games. The que matches teams based on rank which infact can be worse then the GC restriction. People find when we manipulate the rank system instant pops against teams you want works very well in the den.

Is it so hard to just say let the pvpers have 100% unrestricted que. 100% removal of any hidden mechanics built into the DF. People join at your own risk. If after that the ques haven't balanced to any sort of reasonable que 10 mins or less (reasonable). I will start a "Sorry pvpers wre wrong and all the non pvpers knew so much better" thread.

[Cidel]

Fixed that for you.
Also honest question for those clamoring for the removal of GC restriction. What team will you be on? Random team A/B/C?
Do they take the horse mounts from everyone and just give them a generic PvP horse mount? Rework all achievements? It's not as simple as you make it sound and I've seen precious few viable alternatives.

This is the elephant in the room with "get rid of GCs in PvP" and I'm glad someone brought it up. Unfortunately, being the elephant in the room, a lot of people want to ignore it.

At this point the only thing I know the devs will even bother to do will be to make the next PvP mode (if there is one) non-GC dependent, but asking them to remove it from current modes is a stretch since many achievements are tied to it and their willingness (lack of) to appease their PvP-base make it unlikely they'll deem it necessary to adjust them.

[Jonny_Tapas]

They absolutely can fix PvP queues by requiring less players to start the instance. It's become obvious at this point that 24 v 24 v 24 is going to create a slow and annoying queue. Which in turn steers players away from PvP even if they would otherwise play it.

8 v 8 v 8 is plenty until there is more of a demand for it. I think you'd be surprised just how much it grows in popularity if the queue would actually pop in a reasonable amount of time.

Stop designing content around the GC lock as well... You're immediately putting extra restrictions on under valued content.

[Ashkendor]

Well then, you guys should really try it. Too much fun you're missing out on. I used to never PVP til this game XD

Too bad not all PvP'ers feel this way. Too many people in the "wahhh stay in PvE, noobs" camp for my tastes.

I don't like dealing with people bitching at me for not knowing much about PvP. :/

[AstralKaos]

Biggest fix they can do almost right away? Get RID of the GC restriction, why they don't understand that it's a problem they need to get rid of and never consider again... is truly a mystery.

SE, no amount of badly devised lore, and it IS, badly devised lore that contradicts established stuff AND makes zero sense, can justify keeping something that is an active detriment and problem to the queuing system. Change the lore to whatever, just get this problem out.

As for the GC achievements, you can still get them, the Adders on your team will get numbers towards their wins, and the Mael would, and Flames would... you win, you get it go towards your respective GC, simple.

[Altijacek]

Yes it's very very very very simple to keep achievements going. If you want to queue as an adder, you get achievements for that. If you wanna queue as mercenary, you get achievements for whichever group you helped.

[Lemuria]

Okay, I hope this doesn't come off as entitled. But I believe that with enough attention square Enix can fix these queues.

You don't change people's opinions on PvP overnight. It's just not what the majority of players bought the game for.

PvP is horribly unbalanced and critically flawed. Jobs are designed for PvE, and many of them have at several skills which are unusable in PvP. DPS jobs suffer the least from any skill restrictions, while healers and tanks suffer greatly. No one wants to play as a healer, since we no longer have access to Cleric's Stance and therefore can't do any damage. Being relegated to pure healing is no fun either when the slightest scratch causes an interrupt.

Few want to play as tanks either, since they're pretty useless. There's no aggro-holding, so 90% of your skills are just weak versions of DPS attacks and while some warriors gear for DPS, they still fall behind significantly compared to DPS jobs.

The unique PvP skills require an insane amount of rank points before you can get anything useful out of them, and are ultimately rather lackluster anyway with fairly long recast timers. All said and told, it's a bit disappointing and feels like it was bolted on as an afterthought rather than intended as any meaningful content.

So, there's way too much work to be done to PvP before the masses will join. It's always been a flash in the pan, and I suspect it always will be.

[FallenHero]

queue for all languages and in progress if you are solo queueing. pops have been happening within a couple minutes regardless of time of day. (Adders on primal data center)

[loreleidiangelo]

queue for all languages and in progress if you are solo queueing. pops have been happening within a couple minutes regardless of time of day. (Adders on primal data center)

Don't queue for all languages; that's a terrible suggestion. You'll get slotted into shit like a dead F or D match on an NA datacenter, so it will never fill.

[Stormrider]

Why do they have to change any of the GC achievement while the win is team based the actual achievement is individual. Infact since original ponies the achievements have been less and less about GCs. Between a Rock and a Hard Place, Guide any of three Grand companies. It does not say Flames like the pony. ADS mount again Three Grand companies not specific.

Oh no lore must be retcon. My god if the other guys can handle pure race changes to balance out ques we can't handle a GC change. We are talking a tool tip here for an achievement. Not a complete rebuild.

We are already basically team Red, Blue, and Yellow. You think anyone over rank 45 cares if the little icon is team blue or the rose gold scales. I waited for the new mode hoping the silence was some plan that they could fix current issues. Met by more silence and keeping same crap system.

Finally if lore is that important give us an option to que into one with no requirements with the loss of the chance of getting GC 1000 win achievement. Big whoop. The chance to que premades per servers would go along way to building communities then the damn GC system does.