Tank DPS Comparison Video

[Zfz]

Questions:

(1) What are the dps numbers in tanking stance with proper tanking rotations? E.g., Maintaining RoH for PLD.

(2) WAR's advantage had always been based on the fact that WARs can apply their own slashing debuff, and that slashing debuff is not always there. So what happens when PLD and DRK has no access to the slashing debuff?

The video proves that under optimal conditions with pure dps rotations, three tanks can do comparative dps as OT.

I'm sure if we went through the video we'd be able to find other things that just aren't realistic in an actual fight

Like a PLD not applying RoH as a tank? But I suppose any healer that is good enough should have no problems healing stuff without the STR debuff. Perhaps I just need to git gud and take RoH off my hotbar.

[Dhex]

Well - here's Paladin in full STR in Sword Oath without a TP feed, and without a Slashing debuff I could only maintain my damage for 2m 51 - before bottoming out on TP; 841dps or so (?) for most of that with a heavy fall off at the 2:35 mark to 794dps.

Log is available here;
Memory Log

Offensive stats:
Atk. Power 868
Sks. 564
Det. 401
Crit. 541

I'll toss in that I didn't use RoH once - it's a different parse entirely with ShO & RoH being included.

[Brian_]

I love these dummy parses with no real context, idealized situations for DRK and PLD, and basically a less than ideal situation for WARs that still end up with a gap in tank DPS. Then people quote it as if it means everything is okay.

LOL.

[Tila]

I love these dummy parses with no real context, idealized situations for DRK and PLD, and basically a less than ideal situation for WARs that still end up with a gap in tank DPS. Then people quote it as if it means everything is okay.

LOL.

Can you explain why its less than ideal for WAR? Or are you just assuming?

[Brian_]

None of the pacifications were removed so they lost 2 GCDs every Berserk.

It's just stupid because you are basically attaching a TP / debuff bot to the DRK and PLD but you can't even insta remove pacfication from the WAR.

[Zfz]

I can understand that there are times the PLD will also be enjoying the slashing debuff, and I really only run out of TP with underperforming DPS. But rather than OT dps, I'm more interesting in MT dps, i.e. in Tanking stance doing the "tanking" rotation. For example Storm's Path, Rage of Halone, etc.

I mean even as OT, shouldn't you be applying these debuffs for the MT? I don't see the value of a pure dps rotations when discussing relative usefulness/powerfulness of tank jobs. It's like judging the value of BLM and SMN by how much they can heal.

Or if really people don't care much about these debuffs even in Savage as OT, then I suppose yeah, why not, if you don't absolutely it need it then these debuffs are a waste and we should take them off our hotbars cause, dps rulz, right?

[KinSlayer009]

That Warrior burst rotation Was laughable at best.....
I can bust over 1500 with no food no potions over 1700 with....

[DGladius]

Should have gotten someone to remove the pacification from warrior if PLD and DRK were getting fed with tp and slashing debuff.

[pandabearcat]

Furthermore, 5 min is just an odd stopping point.

1. PLD should stop exactly at 85-90 seconds. PLD rotation is set in stone and should not get a 6th FoF.
2. DRK rotation should stop around 4:50 with between 0 and 1/4th mana. They should not get a 6th C&S.
3. WAR rotation should stop right before 3 min, as that is when infuriate and berserk line up.

Also I don't believe the "i can drop RoH from my rotation entirely" story. Your dps are godawful if you can 90% of the time use RA. If you are doing 0.5 then I can understand this, but not if you are MTing 1.0 like you should be.

[Dante_V]

I'm more interested in their dps in tanking stance with no slashing debuff.