People are hyping WAR's too much.

[Tsolake]

I've been reading a lot of threads about WAR's being stupid OP at the moment, and would like to give my input.

According to the previous DPS parsing thread:

WAR - 1000 DPS
DRK - 970 DPS
PLD - 940 DPS

Clearly, WAR DPS is the highest (I didn't see that to be a surprise, they've usually been the damage dealing off tanks).

What about healing?

WAR - Equilibrium, 1.2k pot heal. Can only be cast on SELF. Plus Bloodbath and SE combo and IB.
DRK - Many moves for active regeneration, such as DA+Souleater, DA+AD.
PLD - Clemency, 1.2k pot heal. Can be cast on anyone, 600 potency heal on the PLD if used to restore a party member's health.

"But we can't use Clemency while being smashed on!"

Shield Bash -> Cast Clemency

Sure, warrior's can use their Equi for TP, but only in deliverance (requires a stance swap if you're tanking) and if you're OT'ing, like you should be, you kind of need it.

TP management:

WAR's win lol. But they're DESIGNED to be damage dealing OT's!

[Tsolake]

Utility:

WAR - SE/SP combos (mantra if you CC)
PLD - Divine Veil, Clemency, Cover, Rage of Halone STR debuff, Blind from Flash
DRK - (not too familiar with DRK, correct me if there are more) DB int debuff, Reprisal, DP blind

OH **** invulnerabilites:

WAR - Holmgang (6 seconds, you can't drop below 1, and you're forced to eat all AoE's.)
PLD - Hallowed Ground (do I need to go over why this is the best?)
DRK - Living Dead (Healers might need to blow a small proc to get you back up, timing is also necessary)

Overall Rankings:

DPS:

#1 WAR
#2 DRK
#3 PLD

Healing:

#1 PLD
#2 WAR
#3 DRK

Utility:

#1 PLD
#2 DRK/WAR

Invulns:

#1 PLD
#2 DRK/WAR

If there are any flaws in my logic, please let me know. Feedback is appreciated!

[Faytte]

Paladin healing is too slow to matter. 3 seconds where you cannot parry or block, with savage bosses interrupting it. Even if you manage to get it off as an OT, 3 seconds is an eternity to healers whom have likely got the target (you or the other tank) so full that your clemency is 90% over healing.


Warrior heals are incredibly not because of their power but because they are INSTANT.
Also you do not have thrill of battle on your list, which is 20% of your total health. On a warrior in defiance thats actually rather incredible. Since Clemency generally heals me for a little less than 1/3 of my total health without a crit, thrill of battle giving you 20% health instantly every 90 seconds is not half bad. You also list DRK 'generations' but not Inner Beast? Given this is cast before busters that 300 potency heal (with no penalty mind you, so its going to enjoy the maim buff for a total potency of 360. When you consider Soul Eater is penalized by 20% before gaining the 15% bonus its actually ending at 368 potency with DA) helps top you off before taking damage. Pretty useful.

#1 healing is Warrior. However without it, they would mitigate for crap. Clemency is icing on the cake for paladins. Dark Knights dont live due to Soul Eater--but Warrior tanking revolves around sudden burst healing and their big hp pool, which generally is not as ideal as having say--mitigated the damage to begin with.

[Laptopmenace]

For the longest time, warriors were not even playable in this game. Now they are in a good spot, and because people don't understand what Sq-enix is trying to do with the class, they cry and cry some more. I think of warrior as a "hybrid tank" and I like the direction Sq-Enix is taking it. No it's not your typical meat shield play-style. And why people think every tank should play like that baffles me. I think of Warriors like I think of Bards and Machinists atm. Bard/Machinist are a support type of dps. Warrior to me is a dps type of tank.

[Pinkie_Pie]

For the longest time, warriors were not even playable in this game. Now they are in a good spot, and because people don't understand what Sq-enix is trying to do with the class, they cry and cry some more. I think of warrior as a "hybrid tank" and I like the direction Sq-Enix is taking it. No it's not your typical meat shield play-style. And why people think every tank should play like that baffles me. I think of Warriors like I think of Bards and Machinists atm. Bard/Machinist are a support type of dps. Warrior to me is a dps type of tank.

Tell me about it, I compared taking out a mob with my drk and my warrior. It was like day and night. My warrior could kill it in seconds compare to my drk which has the same amount of gear. We wanted to try something new farming Rav ex and have double warrior and the boss went down even FASTER. By the time we limit, he was already at 10% health compare to having 30-35% health.

[repoe]

[Valkyrie-Amber]

So..... your trying to say that there's a better alternative to a warrior off tank?

in most cases darks and plds never off tank so test them two again in tank stance using full tanking rotations and debuffs.

[Tsolake]

Honestly, I would prefer a WARRIOR OT, but all the classes provide nice bonuses for OT'ing.

Warriors can do massive damage and keep Frac/SE/SP up easily.

PLD's can clemency and divine veil (clemency could be helpful if used in coordination with the healers to relieve healer stress)

But I do feel like DRK is a better main tank all around.

[Valkyrie-Amber]

but your missing the point like plds heals and stoneskins in a usual raid is something the healers would take care of and darks in general have less dps than warrior off tank.

Basicly off tanks are just incase MT dies to take agro but off tank should the strongest type of tank a warrior due to being able to snap agro quickest let alone dps.

[Tila]

but your missing the point like plds heals and stoneskins in a usual raid is something the healers would take care of and darks in general have less dps than warrior off tank.

Basicly off tanks are just incase MT dies to take agro but off tank should the strongest type of tank a warrior due to being able to snap agro quickest let alone dps.

DRK needs more OT utility yes.w I think everyone agrees on that.
PLD can OT just fine, they are just a little more support focused. Their cast bar difficulty is gone when they OT. Perhaps this is intentional?

EDIT: Dont forget that a nice little bit of PLD damage is now baked into their new DoT. Once more, maybe its intentional to allow OT casting. PLD is the safe Tank for both MTing and OTing. You use it when your raid needs a buffer.