A suggestion regarding height.

[LunaHoshino]

Not every woman wants to be cute. Some women prefer to be badass.

Who says they're mutually exclusive? My almost minimum height Midlander who smashes dragons' faces in with a giant spear would like a word with you.

[Samcaesar]

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Because I like beast-like races (Or well, the closest we can get) and not looking like a weird super pear-shaped gnome baby thing. As a slight note, Lalafell actually do exactly what I'm talking about with this, same height range for men and women, the girls aren't any taller than then men.

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I mean, there is two types of aesthetic applications, visual and action based aesthetics. Currently in the game its near impossible to be "action based" cute, you're a warrior of light, responsible for slaying primals and all, so we can ignore that option and go with the former, which is visual based cuteness. It's arguable that you can easily make a cute looking Roegadyn, Elezen, or Highlander girl (Either a straight up cute thing or like a pugly sorta cute), however I'd say making an honest to god mature (As in like.. 20 year old instead of looking like a teenager) and tough looking Au ra, Midlander, Miqo'te, or Lalafell girl (Especially with Lalafell and Auri girls) is extremely held back because they're made to look primarily cute to appeal to a primarily cute demographic (Hence why Auri women look the way they do).

Now, that is to say looking "cute" and "tough" aren't mutually exclusive, I mean like taking Ringi from Teppu, the issue is, I'd argue it's very hard to get that in this game, it's generally either one or the other. And it's also avoiding the whole "Why can't women just look badass without looking cute" which is what the person you quoted is talking about.

[XLauncher]

Who says they're mutually exclusive? My almost minimum height Midlander who smashes dragons' faces in with a giant spear would like a word with you.

You have seen yourself run, yes? Any animation specific to female midlanders is explicitly non-threatening.

[Nadirah]

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You could also use the logic that the women stay at home more than go out and adventure.

I still stand, they're not Mithra. The boys are *not* rare. Even with humans, females are statistically higher population. doesn't mean "rare".

And no, this doesn't scream "we don't like Au Ra being soooo much shorter than men" this thread screams "I want my tall race women as short as short race women". Not the height differences between genders.

"oh but we don't want to be as short as lalafell" yet you want others to go as short as Miqo females or Au Ra?

You basically want every race to have the exact same heights available. What's the point then? SE has the idea of what they want their races to look like. Height and weight included. If you don't like what they have in mind for a race, go play one that fits what you're looking for.

[FallenArisen0990]

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Idk what to tell you but I've never seen a JRPG have a "badass" like character persona for created characters or females higher than males. Maybe with WRPGs but even then, it's rare or nonexistent.

[Kaedan94]

Wouldn't work for some of the races. The Au Ra, for instance, have a very distinct feature which is the men tower above the women. It would destroy the aesthetic of the race if they equalized the height of the two. The proportions would be ALL out of whack.

However, for the races that don't have a large difference like the Au Ra, they could make it so that the tallest female option would be taller than the shortest or average male. That makes sense.

[Samcaesar]

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Explain your logic, because I do not see how you got to that conclusion out of anything I said. Like.. Sun Seeker women are the hunters of the groups while Moon Keepers are either integrated into Gridanian society (As well as the Duskwights are) or they keep to more traditional Moon Keeper culture, which as far as we know, doesn't limit girl Miqo'te to running around and adventuring, they are hunters by nature after all.

And no, the Miqo'te have a higher female birthrate than the men, this is pretty well accepted and understood within the lore.. It's literally the reason why (Generally speaking) Moon Keeper men are nomadic and reclusive while Sun Seekers have their Nunh/Tia system. It's not like a 51/49 split, there's a much larger population ratio of girl Miqo'te than there are men.

Uh, several times I've defined each race only keeps to their own race with height.. That means Elezen minimum is the current minimum for the girl Elezen, while their max be changed to be the maximum for Elezen dudes. I even clarified earlier "I don't want Lala sized Roes or vise versa". I really am not getting how you're coming to your conclusions. By the way, currently there is no way for me to be "Tough, tall (For the race) demi-beastman" and "girl" so it's not really possible to choose a race I want.

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Uh, pretty sure lots of RPGs have "bada**" character personas, they're just mainly (Or well, only) dudes. Like heck, Cloud is literally seen the stereotypical stoic bada** of JRPGs. Just because it doesn't exist doesn't mean it can't.. And whenever it doesn't come at the detriment to those who are the majority (Note the purpose of this thread is neither the boy or girl of any race is taller or shorter to the counterpart of their own race, therefore allowing the majority to still have plenty of short girls to their liking), I don't see why SE shouldn't do it.

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The issue is it's not really a distinct/unique aesthetic, plenty of fantasy races do it already, and you could easily argue "Gross differences between body masses with males and females" was already done with with the Roegadyn. Like, the imho difference between M!Roes and F!Roes is equal to the differences between M!Au Ra and F!Au Ra, just with the thickness of the body compared to height (Keep in mind, which one of these is easily changed, while the other requires entirely new models). Plus, the whole "short girls, tall men" aesthetic is the exact point of equalizing them, it's a limiting aesthetic that just ultimately restricts player option and turns some people away from a race (IE folks who want to be a short guy Au Ra or a tall girl Au Ra). Anyways, I'm fairly sure the other half of the Au Ra Aesthetic (IE, the tail, scales, horns, and limbal rings) is killed the second you put on some armor that covers any of those features, should the Au Ra be kept from wearing armor in favor of that aesthetic? No, that's just silly, hence why the other bit, which is they shouldn't really be excluded from this as well.. Besides! It's not like SE can't say "This Au Ra tribe actually found out how to get tall girls/short men", they do plenty of weird biology things with the Xaela tribes (Being able to sustain themselves on bodily fluids, massive lung capacities, 1/3 twin birthrate, "rust colored" skintones that changed due to their enviroment), they could easily make a minor addendum with "The Au Ra also have massively gross differences in body mass between men and women* Though some tribes have managed find ways to make their women as large as the men/men as short as the women, they remain a small rare minority" which keeps the overall aesthetic (as it's about the majority of race) while still allowing for an excuse for players to have tall Auri women and short Auri guys.

I mean, it might mess with the proportions a little (Though, it's not like tall people have different proportions from average height people normally), but let's not kid ourselves SE already screws up with making models make sense, look at how some helmets magically squish horns inside, or numerous amounts of clipping, the really awkward tails with some gear (Or the one suddenly thin tail option).. When the end result is "Hey you don't have to be short as a girl Au Ra" I'm sure any player who wants that is going to not care too much about it.

Au Ra aside (Which while I think they should, I can at least see the reasons why not for them), I don't see why we couldn't do every race what the Lalafell do, ie the height of the race is equal for the men and women.

[Kaedan94]

I mean, it might mess with the proportions a little....

You are highly underestimating the proportion issues it would cause. They would have to do complete redesigns to accomplish it.

Au Ra aside (Which while I think they should, I can at least see the reasons why not for them), I don't see why we couldn't do every race what the Lalafell do, ie the height of the race is equal for the men and women.

As I said, I think it would work for all races except Au Ra and Roegadyn to do the following: Tallest female option would be at least equal to the average male option. That way you can make a tall female. For some, like midlanders, you can probably even make the tallest female option equal to the male, or only a bit shorter.

The tallest woman in the world was Zeng Jinlian. She was 8' 1.75" tall. The tallest man was Robert Wadlow. He was 8' 11.1" tall. Both of them were well outside the "norms", but the man was still MUCH taller than the woman.

Average male height in Italy (which as the smallest difference in height and still maintains a high average) is 5' 10" for men, and 5' 6" for women. The country with the smallest ratio of height difference and highest average is Azerbaijan. Their men are 5' 7.5" and women are 5' 5" (only 2.75" difference).

It's a simple fact that men are generally taller than women. Can some women be taller than some men? Of course. Which is why I think the tallest female option should be at least as tall as the average male option (except with Au Ra and Roe).

[Zumi]

Miqote males really aren't that much taller then the females.

[FallenArisen0990]

Uh, pretty sure lots of RPGs have "bada**" character personas, they're just mainly (Or well, only) dudes. Like heck, Cloud is literally seen the stereotypical stoic bada** of JRPGs. Just because it doesn't exist doesn't mean it can't.. And whenever it doesn't come at the detriment to those who are the majority (Note the purpose of this thread is neither the boy or girl of any race is taller or shorter to the counterpart of their own race, therefore allowing the majority to still have plenty of short girls to their liking), I don't see why SE shouldn't do it.

*sigh* Completely ignored the fact I said created characters...