Loot system suggestions, thoughts, and your opinion!

[WellFooled]

what about content gated for ilvl though. leveling doesnt get you there. Neither does the ninja who looks pretty.

I'm not sure I understand your point in relation to my post, could you expound on what you mean?

[Fahad]

glamour is not a NEED ..just like ponies.. we want them and we may run 100 times to get them, but they never effect your progress in the game. you will never get stuck in a dungeon or primal just because you dont have the right glamour, but you sure will stuck if you are not geared. thats the point we are trying to make.
and thats why in my suggestion I stated that it should be based on your LEVEL not ITEM LEVEL so the game can detect if you really need the upgrade or not.

[Sapphic]

Just one major problem with this, and one of the main reasons something like this hasn't been implemented in any MMO ever.

Packet size and the amount of data that needs to moved between clients and server.

But theres a simpler solution (no there is no such thing as "need abuse" everyone who puts the effort in has the same right to roll on whatever they want to. If they are on the job and can roll need, rolling need has nothing to do with any form of imaginary abuse. If they roll need for handing in to the GC for points, thats their perogative, also as counter. Relic quest needed a bucket load of GC seals so those items they handed in progressed their relic, thus raised their ILV when completed. Only thing you can label as "need abuse" is when the parameters are set before witha premade and someone breaks it and then you can report them.

Run the content with friends, or with a PF party with set allocated loot.

[Dererk]

Nope won't happen here's why people will just join a duty as the minimum item level there by making the duty's (gawd I f???Ing hate duty finder) take much longer than they should. Also from your suggestion if no one has a job that can or is close to making use of it it would just get dropped completely.

[NolLacnala]

I will now bring a level 1 all-class set of gear that I can slap on before fights in order to maximize my NEED rolls, 10/10 game design.

I took the first coil caster pants from a player who actually needed them. On my 140th t4 run. Having lost the roll on four of them prior.

I ran t2 120 times for the chest.

Your +1 means as much to me as my glamour means to you, so roll.

[Sapphic]

The proposed systems in this thread probably are more fair, yes, but only for one type of player. The system in place now is fair toward all play styles.

You get it. How is someone whos endgame is glamor less important? Only reason you need higher Ilvl is if you are needing it to access harder gated content. But still it does not give anyone a god given right to first dibs over someone whos playstyle is different than your own.

Eveyone needs on stuff they can for their own reasons, no ones is more important than anothers when you can EASILY avoid the disapointment of having to roll against other players by running content with friends that drops the gear you want.

[Dererk]

glamour is not a NEED ..just like ponies.. we want them and we may run 100 times to get them, but they never effect your progress in the game. you will never get stuck in a dungeon or primal just because you dont have the right glamour, but you sure will stuck if you are not geared. thats the point we are trying to make.
and thats why in my suggestion I stated that it should be based on your LEVEL not ITEM LEVEL so the game can detect if you really need the upgrade or not.

sure they do its called crafted gear when they leveling and tomestone gear at 60.


Also your whole point in that people will be stuck if their gear isn't on par to the content while leveling that's why in heavensward you get HQ gear from main quest Yoshi said they did this so people wouldn't get stuck on this kind of thing.

[Fahad]

Just one major problem with this, and one of the main reasons something like this hasn't been implemented in any MMO ever.

Packet size and the amount of data that needs to moved between clients and server.

But theres a simpler solution (no there is no such thing as "need abuse" everyone who puts the effort in has the same right to roll on whatever they want to. If they are on the job and can roll need, rolling need has nothing to do with any form of imaginary abuse.

Run the content with friends, or with a PF party with set allocated loot.

I'm with you that the current system works, i did say so in my OP and we are just talking here. but what's the point of DF if every problem is going to be solved with "play with friends"
you may do, but I don't have friends that are willing to grind a dungeon so my highness can get a loot. everyone is busy with their own.
if everything is going to be solved with play with friends then there is no reason for vote kick or loot roll in the first place if to get the item i should play with friends.
the main reason i suggested the alternatives is to prevent such scenarios like: Im level 60 BRD doing Low level roulette and I happen to be with another BRD who is level 30 in a level 30 dungeon, and a BRD drop happens, i shouldn't be able to click NEED on it and by rng I get it, because the other BRD really needs it to upgrade his stats, while im just gonna sell it, or trade it for gc.

[Fahad]

sure they do its called crafted gear when they leveling and tomestone gear at 60.


Also your whole point in that people will be stuck if their gear isn't on par to the content while leveling that's why in heavensward you get HQ gear from main quest Yoshi said they did this so people wouldn't get stuck on this kind of thing.

isn't that proofs my point that roll system need to be in favor of people who actually need the item for upgrade rather than glamour?
if yoshi saw the need to input HQ items in the game wasn't it because people weren't able to get gear in dungeons?

[Fahad]

I will now bring a level 1 all-class set of gear that I can slap on before fights in order to maximize my NEED rolls, 10/10 game design.

I took the first coil caster pants from a player who actually needed them. On my 140th t4 run. Having lost the roll on four of them prior.

I ran t2 120 times for the chest.

Your +1 means as much to me as my glamour means to you, so roll.

that's why i suggested the roll system should be based on YOUR LEVEL not YOUR CURRENT ITEM LEVEL