Loot system suggestions, thoughts, and your opinion!

[WellFooled]

the main reason i suggested the alternatives is to prevent such scenarios like: Im level 60 BRD doing Low level roulette and I happen to be with another BRD who is level 30 in

That scenario is just as likely to go another way; with the level 60 bard having been trying for months to get a low level piece of gear for glamour (for example, the Brayflox longstop sets are hot commodities) with no success and they see it drop with a lower level bard present. The low level bard gets it and replaces it days later, then converts it into materia to sell, all while the high level bard is still running dungeons trying to get that one item that's eluded him.

These proposed changes would make it easier for one type of player, at the expense of another type. The system we have now offers both an equal footing to win the gear they're after, for whatever reasons they're after it.

[Zari]

One other point:
If i ran a dungeon/raid 50+ times for a piece of gear I want for glamour, and it finally drops, why should I just give it up to the random person who needs it for an upgrade whom i will likely never see again anyways?

[Nicobo]

wow... just unequip your gears then you can NEED the drops? ^^; ??

[Sapphic]

isn't that proofs my point that roll system need to be in favor of people who actually need the item for upgrade rather than glamour?
if yoshi saw the need to input HQ items in the game wasn't it because people weren't able to get gear in dungeons?

Or you know, the level 30 BRD you said in you scenario could politely ask the lvl 60 BRD if they mind passing as they need for an upgrade.

Also, those who take for glamor end up using for longer than those who take as a levelling upgrade

[Fahad]

lol I find us circling around the same issue over and over. I guess I'll never see glamour and desynth as a "NEED" but obviously many players do.

[Nicobo]

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SUGGESTION 1: This one is easiest to apply in my opinion and less complex.
Primary--->NEED conditions: Item's class/job must match current player's class/job AND required level to use the item must be no more than 5 levels below current level.
Secondary--->GREEDconditions: anything else
PASS
this way, the system reduces NEED abuse and give others a higher chance at the item.
E.X: level 35 PGL CANNOT NEED on PGL items level 29 and below.
...

If a new PGL spent an afternoon level up to lv21 by fate, then he runs Sastasha and he will not be able to NEED anything,
I have seen many new players at this level do not have full set gears better than Sastasha drops.
Or when he is Lv35, he run Haukke Manor, he can't need anything even the loot really is an upgraded for him. ^^;

[Fahad]

If a new PGL spent an afternoon level up to lv21 by fate, then he runs Sastasha and he will not be able to NEED anything,
I have seen many new players at this level do not have full set gears better than Sastasha drops.
Or when he is Lv35, he run Haukke Manor, he can't need anything even the loot really is an upgraded for him. ^^;

That is something I haven't thought about, thanks for bringing it up!
but one would argue that there are shops that sells items that can bring the fate grinder up to speed.

[Nicobo]

That is something I haven't thought about, thanks for bringing it up!
but one would argue that there are shops that sells items that can bring the fate grinder up to speed.

I understand that it is very depressing when a new players lose every upgrade drops to someone equipping better gears.
For example, my new NIN frd running CT/ST and lose most roll on his role drops to another player who has better gears equipped.
I think your suggestion cannot help this player as they are both Lv50, so we cannot compare thier LV vs iLV of the drop.
And it doesn't work if we compare current quipment because ppl can change gears (even unequip) inside the content.

However, if removing the job Need priority, this new player will have to Need vs everyone but not only vs another player can Need it.
So, IMO the original roll system is not perfect but still has the least conflicts...
Not sure how about the new added features but they don't affect pug DF so I think they are not applicable here.

[Ashkendor]

So make it that you can only NEED on stuff that's above the highest iLvl in your possession that you can use.
If you are going for glamour, you should have the same chance on getting it as everyone else = GREED.

Cool, looks like I'm throwing my gear onto my retainer and going in minimum level NQ junk to the dungeon then. I'm sure everyone will love seeing that! But no seriously, if someone asks me nicely to pass on a drop because they need it for an upgrade on a secondary class or even their primary class, I'm happy to do that as long as it isn't an upgrade for me too. If they're rude about it, screw em. I'll take it if at all possible. I always roll on every drop in 50+ dungeons to turn them in for grand company seals (I go through an unbelievable amount of ventures).

I honestly don't see how wanting the gear for glamour/gc turn in is any different than wanting it for your alt class. *shrug* Most of the gear in the dungeons gets outgrown within a few levels anyway.

[sirDarts]

Cool, looks like I'm throwing my gear onto my retainer and going in minimum level NQ junk to the dungeon then.

You might wanna think about the words "in your possession". Hint: It would include retainers.

I am all for wanting gear for glamour and gc turn ins, I am against people being able to roll NEED on it in those situations, since their WANT of the item for these reasons is IMO worth the same as my WANT of the item for my alt/alt glamour/turn-in.
AND THAT'S THE POINT! It's the same! Yet you get to NEED on it because you are on the given class, while someone else is not.