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    Quote Originally Posted by Neuflune View Post
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    you need to remember, SE will not touch how the player play. The thing about the master have completely control, so far I have never see a game that master have no completely control over his guild (functions), I believe that is standard and a give. About the content only able to do when you are in an FC, I personally think it work as the way it should (the housing is issue for some FC atm though), if everything can do w/o FC, what is the point to join an FC anyway ? linkshell would be suffice

    edit to the quote person's edit: and yes as I said above, the house thing is gate or a stop for some FC atm, mainly because the 2 FC feature as gadenring & airship required the house and house is lacking.

    edit: I forget to say, about the scam housing, if the player report (which they should, with SS ofc) SE will re-act to this so, it should need not to mention
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shneibel View Post
    you need to remember, SE will not touch how the player play.
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    We're on the same page that an FC has to be distinct from a personal house. The point I'm making is that the current handling of SE does not make for a safe environment especially for the members, as the Master already has complete control and can mitigate any damage that a member can inflict to the FC. A member basically plays Russian roulette with free companies.

    People were kicked for no good reason. In duty finder this can be reported, but in FC it cannot. The Master was not even subbed when he kicked the FC members, he just logged in during one of the free log in weekends. He then never played again until Heavensward. He did not lose the plot even after six months and came back as if nothing happened. I was harassed in FC environment. In Tell it can be reported, but in FC it cannot. The environment does not change the gravity of his words, the only difference is that SE would not touch the issue.

    Square could simply view the FC and chat logs to see if any of this was true, and make a decision based on that.

    In other games, I have also joined guilds but this is the first MMO wherein a lot of content is (at least initially) gated behind the guild feature (gardening, chocobo training, chocobo dyeing, company workshop).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neuflune View Post
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    The thing you mention above about leader harass have also happen in other mmorpg, let it be f2p or p2p, so it is nothing news. Join a clan & guild since 2000 for me have always been a hit or miss and there is really nothing you can do about it neither make it safe environment. I believe safe environment in a clan/guild is something player create and not thing that hand out automatic.

    In FFXIV, if the leader not log in within 30 or 35 days, leadership will change to another person, so I don't know if your ex-FC get to make use of that function, but that is a function to keep FC running add by SE, so in a word, isn't it a system to help safe environment ?

    SE has clearly stats back in ARR that they will not interfere with how player play the game and that goes to FC and LS chat, scam and cheat and harass with 3rd program (parse) is another story, so report thing happen in FC and LS, SE will not do anything.

    About the relinquish house plot, I don't think I need to say anything more about it since there are a lot of thread about that topic, there is even one topic explain how the system will not work

    note: when I say ex-FC as I assume you already left it, I mean who would stay in that place anyway ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shneibel View Post
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    I left the FC when he harassed me and another person. About a month later, the Master logged in, kicked everyone else but his IRL brother from the FC and logged out until Heavensward was implemented. The FC that I have now, I created it and invited the people who were kicked.

    The mastership-handover feature would have worked if there was actually someone else left in the FC. But since SE allows an FC to have just one person and not even the minimum amount of founding members, the Master could kick anyone he wanted and retain Mastership.

    I understand that this happens in other MMOs as well, but here in FFXIV where specific content can only be done when you have an FC, SE might want to reconsider how they handle it.

    P.S. I hate the character restriction.
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