FC Chest just gets raded, and GMs can do nothing.

[Sammix87]

I don't understand why you wouldn't restricted the access. My FC is very small, only 19 members at the moment, and pretty much everything is restricted even removing crops from the garden has to be done by me or one of my officers to ensure nothing untoward happens. Mmorpgs are rife with scammers and thieves and some of them will stop at nothing to get your stuff. My FC have collected a nice amount of gil in our FC chest which we use for FC crafting, we used to use it for relic weapons and materia as well and stuff that may crop up as and when. A scammer joined our FC and noticing the amount of gil they decided to try and dupe me into getting it. It started very subtly with them commenting the FC needed redecorating and we could use our gil to do, following this they tried to get themselves appointed as our 'decorator'. Luckily I wasn't born yesterday. Basically my point is not to trust anyone too easily especially if it involves hard earned loot gained collectively.

[Fated]

This situation happened to my FC a long time ago and it was entirely our fault just as it is now entirely the fault of your officers. The GMs have no authority to deal with things like this.

[Nyerieri]

This situation happened to my FC a long time ago and it was entirely our fault just as it is now entirely the fault of your officers. The GMs have no authority to deal with things like this.

I know people won't like your post, but are 100% correct.

[Kallera]

I don't think the GMs should be toothless in this. I've even seen situations where the fc leader themselves was the thief, leaving the fc to its fate after screwing it up.

Players making an alt to check and raid fc chests isn't out of the ballpark either.

This isn't behavior that should be encouraged, especially since there is a record of what items were taken from the chest.

[DarkDedede]

I don't understand why you wouldn't restricted the access.

To answer your question, until the FC Workshop was introduced, we only used the FC chest for gil, which actually did have restrictions in place. The FC chest was pretty much a dumping ground for materials and items that members didn't want. I supposed no one, myself included, bothered to check if the restrictions were set appropriately for how we use the chest currently.

I'm still a bit put off at the fact that not only can the GMs do nothing, but they really can only be bothered to send copy/paste template responses. Seems like a very cold and sterile form of customer service. The situation is frustrating enough, it really doesn't help matters when the response I get looks like it was written by a Stepford wife. I suppose that's more of an issue of the tone they decided to use in their template responses. Then the robots send me an email asking to fill out a survey on their performance. Not exactly a shining example of tact.

I still find it a bit odd that items that are bound to the FC can actually leave the FC, and are allowed to be used elsewhere. It still seems like an oversight for the developers.

[Shneibel]

To answer your question, until the FC Workshop was introduced, we only used the FC chest for gil, which actually did have restrictions in place. The FC chest was pretty much a dumping ground for materials and items that members didn't want. I supposed no one, myself included, bothered to check if the restrictions were set appropriately for how we use the chest currently.

I'm still a bit put off at the fact that not only can the GMs do nothing, but they really can only be bothered to send copy/paste template responses. Seems like a very cold and sterile form of customer service. The situation is frustrating enough, it really doesn't help matters when the response I get looks like it was written by a Stepford wife. I suppose that's more of an issue of the tone they decided to use in their template responses. Then the robots send me an email asking to fill out a survey on their performance. Not exactly a shining example of tact.

I still find it a bit odd that items that are bound to the FC can actually leave the FC, and are allowed to be used elsewhere. It still seems like an oversight for the developers.

Really dude, move on. It is your own fault so stop try to blame the thing on SE.

The item have NEVER bound to FC

[Neuflune]

You have complete discretion over what free company you join. I assume you donated towards that house, no one told you that you HAD to donate (and if they did, you could of simply found a new free company). Square was completely right by saying the master can do whatever they please with the free company. Guess why? it is theirs. They have complete control over it. Take caution when joining one and find out who is exactly leading it.

I was actually one of the founding members. I didn't just join it. I was there from the beginning, however complete control was given only to ONE person despite a free company having the requirement of being "signed" by many people (founding members) for it to be created.

This is the kind of reaction that SE gave to me as well and while it makes sense on paper, it does not make sense with the aim of creating a guild. If the FC environment can be a place where the master can harass or kick its members without discretion, or a member can take items without it being counted as "stealing", then what exactly with this kind of environment foster? What was SE's aim for creating FCs? Certain content are locked behind FCs (e.g. the FC airship) so a bit of consideration might be necessary to regulate this feature. Otherwise just allow every individual player to purchase their own house with exactly the same specifications as an FC house, etc.

[Shneibel]

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that s why they allow you to add new rank and change Hierarchy and change Hierarchy settings right ? In FFXIV, you can even set 2nd in command with same settings as FC leader to other ppl, and at the same time prevent other ppl to access certain feature (those you don't fully trust). With such system, what else to complain ?

If we are still talk about the OP as we should, then it is his own fault 100% for not make use of the feature the game give him

forget to say: In the FC the standard have 3 rank, the new member will always join rank "Member" and later can change rank by the officer or leader or more if change settings, so the system is auto prevent those kind of stealing (from the past). The Member rank can only view FC chest and remove housing furniture which can change by Hierarchy settings.

This system work fine, I really don't see the issue in it

[Neuflune]

that s why they allow you to add new rank and change Hierarchy and change Hierarchy settings right ?

That's relevant to the issue of items, but not with the fact that only the Master has complete control despite needing founding members. The founding members are just regular members devoid of permissions unless the Master sets it so.

The FC master also harassed me verbally as well as another member and put mean things in the Company Notice, but SE wouldn't touch it because FC environment. They said that if the person harassed me through Tell, I could report it but otherwise (Say/Shout/Linkshell/FC), they're hands off.

Again, I'm not blaming SE for how the FC rules are NOW because it makes sense on paper. However, it needs improvement seeing as certain content can only be completed when you are in an FC.

Edit for Schneibel's edit:

As I said, the permissions thing only happens if the Master allows it. The "second in command" is there by default but can also be changed by the Master. As for the Member, in my own FC now I have changed that to "New Member" to reflect their position and it has limited access so yes, I know how it works.

This issue happened before many of the changes that we have seen over the year were implemented, such as personal housing (before, if you wanted to garden, you need an FC house; before, you need a chocobo stable to use Thav onions). SE keeps implementing things gated behind the FC feature and there is no way for players to know if this will change in the future. The tendency will be, either people get scammed, people make their own 1-man FC (which by the way is being complained about in other threads for 1-man FCs that have FC houses AND personal houses), or only join large and well-known FC. The current situation can be left as it is, but SE can make considerable improvements to it.

[Shneibel]

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you need to remember, SE will not touch how the player play. The thing about the master have completely control, so far I have never see a game that master have no completely control over his guild (functions), I believe that is standard and a give. About the content only able to do when you are in an FC, I personally think it work as the way it should (the housing is issue for some FC atm though), if everything can do w/o FC, what is the point to join an FC anyway ? linkshell would be suffice

edit to the quote person's edit: and yes as I said above, the house thing is gate or a stop for some FC atm, mainly because the 2 FC feature as gadenring & airship required the house and house is lacking.

edit: I forget to say, about the scam housing, if the player report (which they should, with SS ofc) SE will re-act to this so, it should need not to mention