WAR love is out of hand. Twelve forbid the other Tanks stand out in any way.

[Kaith]

The slashing debuff should just be considered constant regardless.
If there's no WAR, there should be a NIN.

While in some cases there might not be either, I don't think that would be the default assumption when comparing.
Either you always compare both with and without the debuff, or with the debuff as a constant since it's not exclusive to WAR.

I disagree with that but I understand opinion is going to differ there. I just don't like the notion of people having to play certain jobs which is probably why I feel that way (mainly because I've hopped between jobs for static purposes multiple times now and it's annoying. So I wouldn't want to tell other people they can't play the job they want, they have to level up and play the job that best suits us instead)

Like I said though, the main problem for me isn't PLD's OT damage, I'm fine with that. The problem for me is if you use a WAR MT instead of PLD right now for Alex Savage there isn't really any added risk of dying and the WAR will survive just fine. Which makes WAR better suited to both MT'ing and OT'ing for the most part due to the strict DPS checks. The advantages of taking a PLD MT aren't as relevant as doing more DPS right now (the mobs being ill suited to PLD's toolkit obviously doesn't help either)

PLD's strengths exist, they just aren't as relevant on the endgame content right. Down the line that might change but we can only judge with the content that's in front of us right now.

[Tila]

snip.

It doesnt make WAR a must have, it means WAR or NIN are. There are plenty of classes you need to bring to get those one or two things you need.

And once more you're making sweeping generalities and not entertaining any possibility other than the ones you say must happen.

[Rei_Fails]

PLD's strengths exist, they just aren't as relevant on the endgame content right.

Disagree, in this video you can see for yourself how the damage mitigation for PLD vs WAR is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuSEqjWfGFc
I took much more damage than Shinzee did, bearing in mind he always had more/stronger mobs on him than I did. This is where one of PLDs underrated strengths comes in to play. PLD taking by far the least damage in most encounters, allows others to do more damage, ie: healers. You may also notice that I spent quite a large time in Deliverance in that video, purely because Shinzee's mitigation was strong enough to tank so much at once, which enabled me to DPS more. Even at the end of my video he deliberately takes mobs off me to allow me to change stance and push the phase, whereas I guarantee I would have required much more healing attention had I been the one to take from him.

PLD is great, and is always relevant, since it brings a lot of strengths to groups that can't be measured in simple DPS numbers, as mentioned above. It'll always be the lowest DPS as MT, but since it's such a potent "safe" tank, it can effectively increase the groups performance.

[Kaith]

Then I'll stand corrected on A3S. I haven't personally gone in there and was going off the fact that, to the best of my knowledge, no group has cleared it using a PLD due to the DPS check. Which will probably change next week with i200 weapons I'd guess.