A DPS Simulator 2 - SimFF

[Jahaudant]

A sim would be useful for figuring out the small details.

Should you save IR for Berserk or use it on CD?
Should you save Infuriate for Berserk or use it on CD?
Where's the optimal time to BS?

Besides that, Unchained in Defiance is far less dps than Triple FC in Deliverance... and doing the former doesn't increase raid dps either.

[Viridiana]

On today's issue of "WTF, Damage Formula?" we take another look at the proportionality of potencies.

           150 Min 150 Max 200 Min 200 Max 320 Min 320 Max
67WD 378AP   222     245     298     329     477     528
19WD 803AP   222     245     296     327     474     523

Potencies aren't proportional, except when they are. Both sets at 298 Determination. Bottom set is perfecty proportioned in the minimums and maximums according to their potencies. Top set is not proportional at all.

[Kenji1134]

So... supposedly the guys at Garland Tools can datamine whatever useful info the game has, no? Which is how they readily obtained details on the new abilities just before Early Access.
What is stopping them from finding and explicitly stating the damage/potency formulas for the game, if that information is available in the code?

As fun as it is to test theories, crunch numbers, and spam abilities on a dummy to collect data, if there is a way to get the REAL formulas, why are we not pursuing that route?

[Shadowsun]

datamining is done locally
damage calculations are done server side

[SunnyHirose]

On today's issue of "WTF, Damage Formula?" we take another look at the proportionality of potencies.

           150 Min 150 Max 200 Min 200 Max 320 Min 320 Max
67WD 378AP   222     245     298     329     477     528
19WD 803AP   222     245     296     327     474     523

Potencies aren't proportional, except when they are. Both sets at 298 Determination. Bottom set is perfecty proportioned in the minimums and maximums according to their potencies. Top set is not proportional at all.

Greetings Ishgardian citizens, what's going on in this thr----

by the Fury

[Dervy]

Have you observed what happens when you proportionally align your potency for 320, then check the difference with a decrease in potency?

Basically, inverse of what you did.

[Viridiana]

Have you observed what happens when you proportionally align your potency for 320, then check the difference with a decrease in potency?

Basically, inverse of what you did.

So like, assume that the 320 is the correct damage/potency ratio? I'm not sure what the difference would be?

Edit X-post from DRG thread:

Yeah. I read your post and I don't know what to do as it breaks my new Damage Model, completely.

Glad I'm not the only one bewildered by this.

[Dervy]

It's just to compare it really. There's many conclusions we could draw from this.

You encountered rounding errors at 150 potency and they weren't proportionally aligned

More evidence that the decimal values could of been truncated, meaning the 150 potency with 67WD could of been 222.9 minimum, or something.

Potency is completely different than how we believe it operates and could be tied with Weapon Damage.

EDIT: Btw, I updated my Dragoon Weapon Damage Model to ((Potency/100)*(WD/25+1)*(STR/9)*(DET/7290+1)*BUFFS)-1 (Remove all Decimals). With the same Data Set, my variation of errors dropped to 2.5, which is much better than before. As a consequence and a few more data samples, Skillspeed scales approximately 0.0000852, rather than the 0.00013 which I had before.

I'm gonna read through the last couple of pages again and sort out AA_DMG again with all of your advice.

[Viridiana]

It's just to compare it really. There's many conclusions we could draw from this.

You encountered rounding errors at 150 potency and they weren't proportionally aligned

More evidence that the decimal values could of been truncated, meaning the 150 potency with 67WD could of been 222.9 minimum, or something.

Potency is completely different than how we believe it operates and could be tied with Weapon Damage.

Well, to take the example listed, 477*(150/320)=223.6. 222.9*(320/150)=475.5. Basically, there's no overlap on that set. Meanwhile, 222*(320/150)=473.6, and 474*(150/320)=222.2. So, plenty of room for overlap on that set. >_>

[SunnyHirose]

Thing is, the first set doesn't seem that off if you ignore the 150 potency point. Example: 1.571875 damage per potency would lead to:

200 potency 95%: 298.65625
200 potency 105%: 330.09375
320 potency 95%: 477.85
320 potency 105%: 528.15

And the 329 could be excused because of the 0.3% chance of actually getting something to land in that window.