I've permanently solved The Wanderer's Minuet problem...

[justinjarjar]

But for real lets talk about that sports team. I mean anything is better than arguing over how they "feel" about something... since we can back that up with anything either way.

[Hyouretsuzan]

You know how work stations have this sign up saying "It's been X days without an incident"? I feel we need this for clone thread that pop up. "It's been 0 days without a WM hate thread""

[RiceisNice]

I'm sure the "best bards" are pretty happy to get a damage buff.

They're not doing anymore damage as their were in 2.0 in comparison to the other classes in 3.0. All jobs' performance are balanced around their post-50 tool kits. Throwing out random numbers, a BRD's maximum output that was 5-10% lower than that of other classes in 2.0, is still present in 3.0 even with WM active.

You know how work stations have this sign up saying "It's been X days without an incident"? I feel we need this for clone thread that pop up. "It's been 0 days without a WM hate thread""

To be fair, most of the discussion is being tied to specific topics rather than new threads nowadays anyway.

I guess I should be angry that I can't queue as a DPS when I'm playing my WAR even though I'll totally demolish just about any DPS that I can get stuck with in DF, right?

Because a warrior (and in the end, they're still capable of tanking most content anyway because of enmity generation, higher defense and overall higher survivability outdamging a true dps class) makes a load of sense.

Something that people need to know that there's a variety of reasons why bards (which can also be divided even further) that do not like WM, some you may not agree with (such as the freedom of movement because honestly I didn't move as much as bard in even in 2.0), others are edging on QoL or design (their flow of gameplay and interaction with 2.0's toolkit), and debatable (utilities, function, group composition and synergy)

[Drakeos]

Your forgetting YOUR A SUPPORT Class go play DRG,NIN, MNK or BLM, SMN if you want damage

[Tyrial]

Your forgetting YOUR A SUPPORT Class go play DRG,NIN, MNK or BLM, SMN if you want damage

How dare you say that! When he hops in DF he's classified as a DPS so that is obviously the only thing he's expected to do...

[Evergrey]

How dare you say that! When he hops in DF he's classified as a DPS so that is obviously the only thing he's expected to do...

When I hop into a DF I do so as a Tank, but I am expected to DPS but in your words, I am obviously only expected to Tank.

[Freyyy]

Lol WM is a damage buff. It's a buff that increases damage. I'll re-phrase my last post.

I think the true "best bards" are pretty happy to have a mean to increase their damage when they have no utility of their mobility unlike before 3.0.

[Tyrial]

When I hop into a DF I do so as a Tank, but I am expected to DPS but in your words, I am obviously only expected to Tank.

It's called sarcasm...you obviously missed the earlier post by the OP shooting down my comment stating that he's a support class not a straight up DPS.

As for tanks DPSing...yes...any tank worth his salt should be putting out as much DPS as he safely can without turning into a complete MP sponge, but that's a topic of discussion for another thread.

[Malevicton]

No thanks. I have a BLM and when BRD plays just like it but with far less damage, then what's the point in even playing it?

As a blm, it's posts like these that really give away that y'all have no idea what you're talking about.

[SuperZay]

How dare you say that! When he hops in DF he's classified as a DPS so that is obviously the only thing he's expected to do...

If I'll que as DPS and only 'support' the party with songs I'll be kicked by 99% of groups, and rightfully so. Hmmm, maybe bard isnt so support class after all huh?