FC Chest just gets raded, and GMs can do nothing.

[Nyerieri]

And I say again you like FFXI so much go play it. Every MMO changes, deal with it.

Galactimus can reference my post #34 on this thread about FFXI

[joshdavis271]

And I'm saying it should change. Like FFXI, this type of behavior could be banned.)

In FFXI if you were shouting and selling something for say, a mil gil and you take the money and not deliver, yes thats should be bannable,now in ffxiv if someone steals from your chest its your fault cause you set the permission to do so, besides the guy who robbed the chest, wilbe taken care of without the GMs. The community will take care of trash like this.

[TheMax1087]

Gms can't do anything in this case because nothing was stolen(you can't steal a shared resource you have permission to take), and no agreements were broken(I doubt you said to him to not raid the fc chest before he did it). It's as simple as that. The guys definitely a scumbag, but he did nothing technically wrong.

[Noxifer]

Well I mean the OP's complaint is just like handing a stranger the keys to your house and getting mad when they steal all of your stuff. SE already gave us the tools to prevent exactly this from happening and his FC leader apparently didn't make appropriate use of them. That's not SE's fault nor should SE waste GM manpower on policing this.

It's more apt to say you have a BBQ and invite some people. Then one of those people comes in through the door, says 'hi', goes through your closet and grabs some things and then leaves -- not even ten minutes after arriving.

Sure, you can say it's your fault for inviting that person over. But you can still report him to the police where I live, who can charge him with either theft or a milder form of theft that google-translates to "arbitrary transaction" but basically means you're taking something that doesn't legally belong to you without requiring breaking in or anything like that. Even your parents can charge you with that if you abscond with things you think belong to you but legally belongs to your parents because you're younger than 18 years old. And since your parents usually give you a key to their house... that still applies to someone you invite into your house.

But I guess legalities differ between countries. For me, it seems like a clear thing that someone joining an FC, grabbing a bunch of stuff from the FC chest and then quitting the FC -- if reported by FC member(s) -- should be investigated, the items returned and the 'thief' receiving at least a warning (for future knowledge in case the same should happen again).
Sure, one should always make sure the entry rank doesn't have all the permissions that more trusted members have, but that's not always something you think about when you start an FC. Sometimes you realize it quickly, or before anything happens (usually because you hear about something like this happening to another FC), but sometimes you don't figure it out before something bad happens to you. Just like I wouldn't think to lock my closet when inviting people over to a BBQ unless something happened or I heard about something happening.

[OPneedNerfs]

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I'll play devil's advocate here. What if that new member that joined was the FC leader's alt and decided to cut ties with the FC after a fallout with OP? So now the GM is to ban the FC leader's alt (and possibly the leader as well) because OP said so and there's no chat logs to fall back on.

Not forgetting the fact that a conversation might've occurred non in-game bringing everything back to a "he-said she-said" situation which GMs won't and can't handle.

[Nyerieri]

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First mistake you made in this post was comparing real life to a game.

Second, the OP's FC was established 9/18/2013. I would hope by now they would have realized they should have more than 3 ranks (according to loadstone, their entry rank is the only rank below officer that is in use).

Lastly, again I repeat myself, How can you tell Square YOU want the person held liable for something you gave them the keys to. Again, I go back to their establishment date and have no remorse for a Free Company that old. If this is their first incident with something like this, I would chalk it up to a lesson well learned. Also, I would add ranks above the starter rank if I was them so this will not happen again with someone just starting the free company Here is an alternative, move everyone to the officer rank and restrict access to the starting rank, or take away all permissions to the starting rank if they refuse to make more ranks.

[Nyerieri]

I'll play devil's advocate here. What if that new member that joined was the FC leader's alt and decided to cut ties with the FC after a fallout with OP? So now the GM is to ban the FC leader's alt (and possibly the leader as well) because OP said so and there's no chat logs to fall back on.

Not forgetting the fact that a conversation might've occurred non in-game bringing everything back to a "he-said she-said" situation which GMs won't and can't handle.

Couldn't say it better myself.

[Galactimus]

This is the fourth thread I've seen on the forums where an FC has been "robbed." In one case an Officer gave normal "Members" the ability to "Promote/Demote." The result was that a player with the Rank of "Member" was able to 'promote' his own alt to "Officer" and rob the FC blind. Oversight by the FC leader? Should a Member be able to raise his own rank higher than his current one?


My point is that people will always find ways to steal from you. GM's are supposed to have your back during cases of destructive behavior even when the normal rules of the game are not broken. I personally find the GM's in FFXIV take an extremely passive role when it comes to such actions.


And I'm not just praising Final Fantasy 11 GM's; it's just the easiest one to relate people to since it's made by the same company, mirror's the same subscription model, and uses so many of the same elements. Rift, Eve, and Everquest Online Adventures had amazing GM's too (SWG definitely having the worst by far.) In Rift they would do anything for you. In Eve GM's would go out of their way and send YOU tells asking if everything was "cool" without you even asking. I've already talked about my Everquest experience in this thread.


Actions taken for the sole purpose of scamming, cheating, or stealing need repercussions. We have all the information logged, we have GM's, and we have people committing offenses for the sole purpose of causing grief. There's no reason why such situations should not at least be investigated at a basic level to deter people from trying to perform the same actions in the future.

[Maracrea13x]

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Ok, heres how the officers being able to give members the ability to promote, if you give officers the ability to edit RANK SETTINGS then they can change the settings of all ranks in the FC except master. This is the ability that you should always reserve for yourself alone. NEVER give it to any one other then yourself. Promotion is kinda wonky in FFXIV yes. If you can promote you can do any rank other then master in the FC, which I do not like but it is what it is. But if you give permission to promote and demote to officers then it takes stress off of you to have to promote everyone yourself, but members will not be able to promote themselves, if you do not enable this for them.

[joshdavis271]

ummm Who would be stupid enough to give a member the ability to promote/demote? That is the dumbest thing to do and yes that is an oversight of the FC leader. and again taking "SHARED ASSETS" IREPEAT "SHARED ASSETS"!!! is not stealing. again the leader should think carefully about what each permission you give random ranks.