FC Chest just gets raded, and GMs can do nothing.

[ElHeggunte]

Ah forums... You guys are all so wonderful and cheery. Remember kids: If you make a mistake or have a lapse in judgement, whatever happens to you is your fault, you were "asking for it" and you got just what you deserved. I hope all you "victim blamers" live by the code(s) you preach here on the forums.

Well I mean the OP's complaint is just like handing a stranger the keys to your house and getting mad when they steal all of your stuff. SE already gave us the tools to prevent exactly this from happening and his FC leader apparently didn't make appropriate use of them. That's not SE's fault nor should SE waste GM manpower on policing this.

[DarkDedede]

Well I mean the OP's complaint is just like handing a stranger the keys to your house and getting mad when they steal all of your stuff. SE already gave us the tools to prevent exactly this from happening and his FC leader apparently didn't make appropriate use of them. That's not SE's fault nor should SE waste GM manpower on policing this.

I think most of you are missing my point. Yes, it's disturbing that things were stolen, and that the GMs do not have the power to do anything, which basically means this type of behavior is allowed. Yes, it's a shame that the FC leader did not have the appropriate measures in place to prevent this from happening. It's also a bit concerning that this individual allegedly targeted other FCs as well. I suppose the devs can do with that information what they will. Even if new policies were put in place, it's not like they would go back and punish people that broke the new policies in the past. Everything that was stolen can be replaced.

However, I'm more interested in the fact the person that took the items were able to leave with parts that were bound to our FC. Since the parts were bound, it's not like they could sell them. Would he be able to use them on another airship, for a different FC? If so, then I'd consider that an oversight on the part of the developers. If this individual could neither use nor sell the parts, then I would assume he would be forced to discard them. If these parts have no use to anyone, outside of our FC, I really see no reason why they couldn't be returned. The FC that these parts are bound to should be in the item data, no? Therefore it wouldn't be difficult to find out where the parts came from. If not, again, that would be an oversight on the part of the developers.

[Maracrea13x]

However, I'm more interested in the fact the person that took the items were able to leave with parts that were bound to our FC. Since the parts were bound, it's not like they could sell them. Would he be able to use them on another airship, for a different FC?

I think they can use them in another FC yes. I know when I dissolved my previous FC awhile back I was able to bring housing items from that house and place them in my new FC's house without any problems. They are not able to be traded or sold but are still completely usable by the person holding them. The rest of this would be nice but its coding and they are simply not going to do it.

[Noxifer]

Well I mean the OP's complaint is just like handing a stranger the keys to your house and getting mad when they steal all of your stuff. SE already gave us the tools to prevent exactly this from happening and his FC leader apparently didn't make appropriate use of them. That's not SE's fault nor should SE waste GM manpower on policing this.

It's more apt to say you have a BBQ and invite some people. Then one of those people comes in through the door, says 'hi', goes through your closet and grabs some things and then leaves -- not even ten minutes after arriving.

Sure, you can say it's your fault for inviting that person over. But you can still report him to the police where I live, who can charge him with either theft or a milder form of theft that google-translates to "arbitrary transaction" but basically means you're taking something that doesn't legally belong to you without requiring breaking in or anything like that. Even your parents can charge you with that if you abscond with things you think belong to you but legally belongs to your parents because you're younger than 18 years old. And since your parents usually give you a key to their house... that still applies to someone you invite into your house.

But I guess legalities differ between countries. For me, it seems like a clear thing that someone joining an FC, grabbing a bunch of stuff from the FC chest and then quitting the FC -- if reported by FC member(s) -- should be investigated, the items returned and the 'thief' receiving at least a warning (for future knowledge in case the same should happen again).
Sure, one should always make sure the entry rank doesn't have all the permissions that more trusted members have, but that's not always something you think about when you start an FC. Sometimes you realize it quickly, or before anything happens (usually because you hear about something like this happening to another FC), but sometimes you don't figure it out before something bad happens to you. Just like I wouldn't think to lock my closet when inviting people over to a BBQ unless something happened or I heard about something happening.

[OPneedNerfs]

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I'll play devil's advocate here. What if that new member that joined was the FC leader's alt and decided to cut ties with the FC after a fallout with OP? So now the GM is to ban the FC leader's alt (and possibly the leader as well) because OP said so and there's no chat logs to fall back on.

Not forgetting the fact that a conversation might've occurred non in-game bringing everything back to a "he-said she-said" situation which GMs won't and can't handle.

[Nyerieri]

I'll play devil's advocate here. What if that new member that joined was the FC leader's alt and decided to cut ties with the FC after a fallout with OP? So now the GM is to ban the FC leader's alt (and possibly the leader as well) because OP said so and there's no chat logs to fall back on.

Not forgetting the fact that a conversation might've occurred non in-game bringing everything back to a "he-said she-said" situation which GMs won't and can't handle.

Couldn't say it better myself.

[Nyerieri]

Snip.

First mistake you made in this post was comparing real life to a game.

Second, the OP's FC was established 9/18/2013. I would hope by now they would have realized they should have more than 3 ranks (according to loadstone, their entry rank is the only rank below officer that is in use).

Lastly, again I repeat myself, How can you tell Square YOU want the person held liable for something you gave them the keys to. Again, I go back to their establishment date and have no remorse for a Free Company that old. If this is their first incident with something like this, I would chalk it up to a lesson well learned. Also, I would add ranks above the starter rank if I was them so this will not happen again with someone just starting the free company Here is an alternative, move everyone to the officer rank and restrict access to the starting rank, or take away all permissions to the starting rank if they refuse to make more ranks.

[Noxifer]

First mistake you made in this post was comparing real life to a game.

....The post I was responding to also made such a comparison.

Second, the OP's FC was established 9/18/2013.

Establish date doesn't really matter, tbh. Sure, they probably should have realized that they should have protected themselves better. But I wasn't really talking about this specific case only; I was speaking of it generally, and not every time this happens the FC in question was established in 2013.

Lastly, again I repeat myself, How can you tell Square YOU want the person held liable for something you gave them the keys to.

Because theft is theft. *shrugs* At the very least, I think it should be applicable to report the thief for griefing.

Putting all the blame on the victim, even when the victim "should know better", is just... no. Whether IRL or in game.