Things I'm starting to hate on AST

[Galdous]

http://imgur.com/CIiffbS

Again, please stop spreading misinformation. This is with just a CNJ in party. With Foe's/Trick Attack/etc, our numbers go even higher on single target. SCH is fully capable of outputting high single target damage.

I am sorry but show us a parse in actual raid environment where I think he is implying. That is practically in the same scenario as the 50 pages of people wanting a warrior nerfed because one did a 15k crit a while back.

[GideonHighmourn]

I am sorry but show us a parse in actual raid environment where I think he is implying.

Faust is essentially a striking dummy; nothing would really change, besides an increase in DPS from group buffs and debuffs. Also, his exact words were "Scholar on anything", so it's still a fairly valid. Vlady pulls numbers like 400DPS from card buffs (and SCH only doing 170DPS) from absolutely nowhere, it's hard to take anything he says seriously.

[Galdous]

Faust is essentially a striking dummy; nothing would really change, besides an increase in DPS from group buffs and debuffs.

Except accuracy, stopping to go in and out of cleric stance to swap between eos and selene when the speed buff is used up. Easily missing faust from lack of gear vs a level 1 dummy that does not have any innate resistance or damage reduction.

[GideonHighmourn]

Except accuracy, stopping to go in and out of cleric stance to swap between eos and selene when the speed buff is used up. Easily missing faust from lack of gear vs a level 1 dummy that does not have any innate resistance or damage reduction.

Faust is easily solo-healed, therefore no need to drop Cleric stance. There's also no need to swap between Eos and Selene. I normally hit near 700DPS as SCH against Faust in Alex Normal, but I also don't have 190 gear or the Ravana weapon on SCH as that poster does.

Are you also forgetting there are Lv 60 Striking Dummies now? I don't know for sure, since it's not provided, but I doubt that person bothered to post a parse against a level 1 Dummy.

[Vlady]

Lol. I am doing about 500 dps against a level 1 dummy even without dots right now. You cannot compare a raid level target to a level 1 training dummy.

[Spoekes]

Faust normal can be singlehealed, no stance dancing required.
You don't need to switch fairies, and even then it wouldn't matter if you were in CS.

One other poster just threw out this number explicitly for Faust, and not to brag about SCH numbers in general.

The accuracy thing is real, but not to be dramatized in A1 normal.

[GideonHighmourn]

Faust normal can be singlehealed, no stance dancing required.
You don't need to switch fairies, and even then it wouldn't matter if you were in CS.

One other poster just threw out this number explicitly for Faust, and not to brag about SCH numbers in general.

The accuracy thing is real, but not to be dramatized in A1 normal.

I find it funny that the people who throw around imaginary numbers are the ones who don't post any sort of proof, and when other people post proof to refute them or prove their own theory/numbers, they just try to discredit the proof rather than actually posting their own.

Irony.

[MidnightTundra]

Lol. I am doing about 500 dps against a level 1 dummy even without dots right now. You cannot compare a raid level target to a level 1 training dummy.

You said SCH can not do 800+ DPS on Single Target. I gave you a parse of it's potential. I mean if you let me full time DPS, a SCH can pull really high numbers.

Also as an AST, your DoTs aren't doing 500+ alone.

[VanEinstein]

Astrologian's are competitive. As I said I am not at fault if you do not want to play to the strength of the Astrologian buff when it comes to coordinating use of your dps enhancing cards with your group.

Where do you get this notion that this isn't already being done? No, I'm afraid you're wrong. It's objectively not even up for debate. They are not competitive. Have you familiarized yourself with the definition of the word? I'll save you some time: "As good as or better than others of a comparable nature."

If we're strictly speaking of bleeding edge content, there's a reason why the healing meta is what it is. An Astrologian cannot replace either a WHM or a SCH in the healing meta. While the job is designed to be a replacement for either, an AST must do one of the following two things to be a replacement in the meta:
A) Output enough healing to allow a SCH partner to stay in Cleric stance as often as when accompanied by a WHM, -OR-
B) Output as much dps as a SCH, while providing the same level of support as a fairy, and in an MP efficient manner

AST may do neither of these things. A White mage is uniquely suited to taking a great deal off the Scholars plate, whilst the Scholar is uniquely suited to providing DPS whilst simultaneously offering healing and support that is unaffected by Cleric stance. They complement each other perfectly. AST in no way compliments the other in such a fashion.

While you may still succeed with an AST, that does not make them competitive, and at present a great many Astrologians are sitting out because it's inefficient to take stuff to bleeding edge content that you cannot count on. Unless the odds of it performing at its peak with excellent luck results in a net gain head and shoulders above the odds of it performing at it's lowest, it's always going to be the worst possible choice, unless of course you muddy the argument with the players themselves.

[Vlady]

The reason the current healing meta is what it currently is because some groups are sticking to the quota. Astrologian puts out basically as much as a white mage without the cooldowns so to say that the astro cannot output enough healing to cover the scholar additional dps is not entirely true. They provide their utility around card buffs which are quite strong in the hands of a skilled player who can coordinate with other people. And from my own personal parse against a (lol dummy) I was easily pushing 800 dps as well. Nocturnal actually provides stronger single target heals potency wise then white mage is capable of and as a few pages down the math between sect stance and noc efficiency wise are the same unless I am mistaken so people who say that noc is in a bath situation right now need to do more then give it a small try.

Faust is not an aoe heavy fight minus his cleave and synastry easily covers the damage buff from 4-5 to let an astro solo heal as well as a white mage as long as he is not cleaving everyone. And the parse was from the mist ward but since I do not know if you can place higher level dummies in your house or not so I cannot say.