FC Chest just gets raded, and GMs can do nothing.

[DarkDedede]

They have no way to prove you did not give them those items because you gave them access. You cannot just later say they took it...it is "he said, she said" scenario and they can't get involved with that.

Shouldn't the GM have access to the chat logs, among other things? I can't imagine it being too difficult to skim the chat logs, see that the individual joined, said "hi," raided the FC chest and then immediately left. I'd imagine they'd also be be able check on the chat log of the FC that the individual immediately went to, for further evidence of wrongdoing. They keep track of everything else in this game, I'd assume keeping track of chat logs would be given. Perhaps I assume too much?

I'd also like to point out that the Lodestone website is such a lovely tool for these thieves to use. I just did a quick search for a mid sized FC, with recruitment open, and has an estate built. Coincidentally, our FC was first on the list, and the person that did the inviting was contacted right out of nowhere. I'd have to wonder if other FCs on the list had been contacted. Stealing is allowed in this game, so it's quite possible that they've done this more than once. I may be assuming too much, but it is quite an interesting theory. I'd be curious how many times one individual could get away with stealing from FCs, before the devs begin to take notice.

[PArcher]

See the difference is with your first scenario is Square has always punished people for scamming you out of something as long as it was discussed in the chat logs what was supposed to happen. Whenever I did a trade in 11, I would always make sure it was documented IN the chat logs to the person in case I ever needed to get a gm involved. Guess what? I never had to get a GM involved since I had every deal well documented in the chat logs.

This holds true in XIV as well. As long as there is a way, in-game, to prove that an agreement was broken, the GMs can, and will, take action. This is why people can do loot-call PFs and not worry; as long as the calls are in party chat, the GMs will uphold the loot rules.

If you ignore tools you have access to that would prevent scamming/stealing from happening, then it is your fault. If you make an agreement outside of the in-game chat (making it untraceable to the GMs) then you are also out of luck (similarly, there's a reason most people don't talk about parsers in-game...)

[Galactimus]

Everyone is blaming the FC Leader for not setting the correct permissions. But how is this any different than if he DID set permissions? He gets to know someone over the course of two years, promotes them to an Officer, and THEN everything is stolen from that newly promoted Officer (or the Officer gives Chest permissions to the real thief.) The GM will just say the same thing "You gave them permissions there's nothing we can do."

That's NOT how it should be. This is the first MMO I've played where such behavior is ignored and unpunished. It all feels so robotic.

[OPneedNerfs]

There's a very common phrase for security that comes to mind here.

"You can't patch human stupidity"

[PArcher]

That's NOT how it should be. This is the first MMO I've played where such behavior is ignored and unpunished. It all feels so robotic.

You haven't heard of EVE Online, have you?

[Cakekizy]

It might be a scumbag move, but he did nothing wrong. He had permission to take anything and everything. Doesn't matter if it's a new member or someone that waited 6 months.

[Nyerieri]

Everyone is blaming the FC Leader for not setting the correct permissions. But how is this any different than if he DID set permissions? He gets to know someone over the course of two years, promotes them to an Officer, and THEN everything is stolen from that newly promoted Officer (or the Officer gives Chest permissions to the real thief.) The GM will just say the same thing "You gave them permissions there's nothing we can do."

That's NOT how it should be. This is the first MMO I've played where such behavior is ignored and unpunished. It all feels so robotic.

I would say first that the free company leader does not have a good sense of character if I read that. Also someone is not going to stay with the free company for two years just for a chance to steal minuscule items.

[Elim]

This is the first MMO I've played where such behavior is ignored and unpunished. It all feels so robotic.

They didn't do anything in SWTOR either... unless an officer or leaders account got hacked which resulted in the looting. SWTOR didn't do much of anything to support their customers; 99% of the time you'd get an automated response when you submitted a ticket for help. TheGMs in this game are much better.

[DarkDedede]

It might be a scumbag move, but he did nothing wrong. He had permission to take anything and everything. Doesn't matter if it's a new member or someone that waited 6 months.

Still, he was able to leave the FC with airship parts that were bound to the FC. It's not like he can sell them, but I'd assume he can use them for his own airship. If he can't then he shouldn't have been able to leave with them in his inventory. At the very least, he should have been prevented to leave the FC, while the bound airship parts were in his inventory. We would have at least gotten a laugh out of it.

The FC leader should also have the option to set security to items that are bound to the FC. Not only should players not be able to leave with bound items in their inventory, but there should also be a setting to prevent these items from being discarded. Bound items would have to be returned to the FC chest before the player could leave the FC. If they refuse to return the items, then I suppose a GM could handle it.

[_Pigzig]

Guild drama lol