NIN -- how does everyone else feel we're doing?

[Craiger]

Well bringing in the idea of skill to who will do the better dps is not relevant because it is a qualitative measurement and doesn't add anything substantial to the argument. What needs to be looked at are many different parses to actually see an average dps or median for each class. Right now it seems that DRG > MNK > NIN in terms of overall dps. But the problem is how much of a dps difference there is between the classes. It seems that DRG is between 100-200 dps higher than NIN which is pretty significant. The difference between MNK and NIN is not really known too well because DRG outshines them both too heavily so the difference is probably not that much between MNK and NIN. Essentially, MNK and NIN both need to be looked at but since NIN is the LOWEST of the 3 then NIN needs more of a look than MNK.

I don't want to start any arguments, but since you were simply comparing DPS, and saying NIN has the lowest DPS, I just need to intervene...

It's true that NIN have the lowest DPS out of the 3, but lets say your group is doing 5500-6000 combined DPS in Savage (which is needed), while I don't really have the time or want to calculate the exact numbers(can't be exact either for that matter), Trick Attack is most certainly making up for that DPS gain MNKs have over them.

You personal DPS doesn't mean anything, you can have 700 DPS, but increase everyone else total DPS by 700. A job like that wouldn't need a buff just because they're miles behind on their own DPS.

DRG buffs BRD/MCH, I'm not forgetting that, but NIN doesn't need a look more than MNK

From what I've experienced so far, NIN is about 3-4% behind MNK in DPS. However, TA more than makes up for that. Math below:
TA is up for 10 of every 60 seconds, and provides a 10% boost in damage. On average this is a 1.67% boost in damage. But this is for the whole raid. Now lets assume healers arent DPSing, and that adding both tanks damage together is the equivalent of 1 dps. Thats 4 DPS that receive this boost in damage (not counting yourself, since that was already built into the numbers). 4 x 1.67% is 6.68% DPS, which nudges NIN ahead of MNK. If you time the TA with burst phases, and your healers DPS then this percent increase will be even higher.

That being said, I believe MNK brings more to the table in regards to AoE.

NIN and MNK seem to be fairly balanced, with NIN having the slight edge on single target and MNK having a slight edge in AoE fights.

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I don't usually like balancing towards AoE... but since NIN really sucks at it, and MNK is awesome at it now, I can agree that the balancing between MNK and NIN are pretty good.

It's them both that needs to move closer to DRG by an equal amount.