Machinist need buffed

[Lavieh]

The only thing I would like to see if a buff to how much Hypercharge increases damage. Something like an odd 7% would be a lot better than the 5% we are currently getting.

MCH is still the best class at maintaining resources especially with Hypercharged involved since HC + Promoted Bishop will give you a net gain of mana and you can turn that gained mana into TP shortly after. Unfortunately though HC doesn't hold a candle to Foe Req even if I bard can only play 2 Foes in 10 minutes.

[Alkel]

Before 3.0, i was BRD main job, switched to MCH ans i must say: im going back to BRD!

The main problem with MCH is the 2/3 RNG combo, its a DPS killer.
At least BRD have a more constant DPS and thats why they regularly outperform MCH.

The support part is also better for BRD. Hypercharge really cant hold the comparaison when it comes to DPS boost. Foe is a lot more valuable.

And last but not least: MCH has zero HP skill where BRD can at least save himself with second wind (its good to have it on A1 red mark!).

Its sad, because MCH is really fun to play.

[Ryaz]

I definitely would have preferred our combo not to be RNG based and have ammo actually do extra effects like it was portrayed during the preview. I guess they couldn't figure out how to make it work. Or didn't care enough.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Honestly, I still feel like either unshared cooldowns or reduced cooldowns would go a long way to improve upon what Machinists have right now. Just like how DRGs had such a long cooldown on Jump before, our Hypercharge, Wildfire, and Rapid Fire are such useful tools with such long cooldowns that even 15 seconds less would make a huge difference.

At the same time, I do hope SE takes note that every other DPS class has some form of a self heal except MCH, whether native to the class or through cross class abilities. Why are we the sole exception?

[Haxetc]

Before 3.0, i was BRD main job, switched to MCH ans i must say: im going back to BRD!

The main problem with MCH is the 2/3 RNG combo, its a DPS killer.
At least BRD have a more constant DPS and thats why they regularly outperform MCH.

The support part is also better for BRD. Hypercharge really cant hold the comparaison when it comes to DPS boost. Foe is a lot more valuable.

The DPS loss of not getting a proc isn't as severe as you're making it sound. You're losing out on some DPS, yes. But, the biggest loss of not getting procs is that you're spending more TP. Idk why you along with many other people are saying BRD "regularly" outperforms MCH. Where do you see that happening? Show me some unmerged parses and I'll start to believe you. If you're using A2S as an example that's just bad because that's a fight made for BRD whereas A1S and A3S can go in the favor of MCH. You have to figure, Hypercharge is buffing 5 DPS in a melee comp with 1 caster whereas a BRD is buffing 1-3 casters including healers. Also, when you're done using that Requiem, if the healer needs MP, you can't cast Ballad. Same goes for TP and Paeon. The OF just confuses me due to the amount of people that are just bad at the game. Git gud and play the job right. Then maybe you'll see that MCH is very viable.

I'll agree on the last point because I've been sad my fair share amount of Protean Waves in A3S due to not having Second Wind

[Ryaz]

DPS-wise I have no issues if I nail my combos properly, especially the opener. I tend to only get beaten by people with Hive weapons currently (only have my 180). I do get a bit sad when there's no Drg, though. Biggest issue is knowing the fights and knowing when you can pop Wildfire without losing it to a mechanic (like Oppressors taking off on you). MCH also have the issue of being punished quite a bit for mistakes, so I can see where people have problems. You make one mistake or miskey during your opener and you can lose quite a bit of dps and it takes a while to recover from that.

Btw, I'm constantly seeing Drg and the like run out of tp on fights. As a MCH, I've only had that issues when going all out on a test dummy and even then, it takes almost 4 minutes before I'm out completely (after using Invigorate). I've never had TP issues on single target fights in dungeons. Am I doing something wrong or is MCH just really TP efficient?

[Humorless]

Am I doing something wrong or is MCH just really TP efficient?

Try A2/A3 savage.

[Lavieh]

You have to figure, Hypercharge is buffing 5 DPS in a melee comp with 1 caster whereas a BRD is buffing 1-3 casters including healers..

You and I both know that Hypercharge doesn't shed a light onto Foe Requiem. Even with a single mage in your group.

If you're using A2S as an example

Eh, I think BRD can produce slightly better numbers in A2S but I think MCH shines more in A2S because they are able to manage resources better and provide some damage increase for their mage. Hypercharge + Promotion toggle on a bishop will get you the 5% boost + Net Mana. You can then turn that net mana around into more TP for the DPS so they are able to AoE a bit more. Foe Req is good and all but I think you would benefit better from more abudant resources in A2S.

[Humorless]

Foe Req is good and all but I think you would benefit better from more abudant resources in A2S.

not if you have a SMN.

[Lavieh]

not if you have a SMN.

SMN's main damage in A2S comes from Vuln Stacking and Bane.

Foe is obviously good in that turn regardless but I'm fairly certain you can push higher numbers by providing your WAR/Melee DPS with more TP to sustain their AoE.