would you play this game if it went free to play/hybrid?

[Parawill]

That feel when your inventory is full and you get the message <... cannot be obtained>.

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[Orspeth]

snip... which also brings in the most toxic of all MMO gamers: The F2P only crowd.

I play Lotro, have since back in the day when it was sub only. I have also played WoW, Gw, GW2 and others. The only people I would truly catergorize as "the most toxic" are the end game, uber leet raider types, whether they are in an F2P or not.

[Niwashi]

Luckily, I don't think SE is that dumb.

It's dumb from the perspective of trying to make a good game, but it can in many cases bring in more money, which isn't dumb at all from a business perspective. Let's just say I'm really glad that the Final Fantasy franchise is important enough to SE that maintaining the integrity of it's quality standards is a pretty high priority as well. They aren't going to risk their best long-term brand equity over short-term revenue.

[Kaedan]

I actually never gave my opinion on why I think they are most skilled. I also said "seems". That means that's what it appears to be, may not be what it actually is. Soooo again I never made any absolute claims lol.

You did, "actually". You said because for F2P gamers it wouldn't be their first MMO that's why you think they're more skilled. Which is illogical in so many ways. Also, you did make an absolute statement when you said, "Actually it would bring more skilled people". And adding "seems" pretty much makes anything you write after it irrelevant, because it becomes anecdotal at that point. And yes, my person experience with F2P gamers is also anecdotal, but it's a fact that kids and other highly undesirable individuals suddenly have access to the game when they wouldn't have before.

Which means the only arguments you can rely on are the objective ones, which I stated previously in this thread... namely that when a game goes F2P, the quality reduces and 5-10% of the population end up paying far more per month than they would with a P2P to let the other 90-95% freeload off their money. No thank you.

[Terribad]

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You said because for F2P gamers it wouldn't be their first MMO that's why you think they're more skilled

I said "most", the more people do something usually the more skilled they are. Take a person that's never played a MMO and one that has played many and obviously the one with knowledge and experience will go further.

Also, you did make an absolute statement when you said

Yes, more experienced mmo players = more decently skilled people. "Actually it would bring more skilled people" =/= ALL f2pers are skilled. It just said it would bring more since "MOST" f2pers aren't new to mmos. =T

Which means the only arguments you can rely on are the objective ones, which I stated previously in this thread... namely that when a game goes F2P, the quality reduces and 5-10% of the population end up paying far more per month than they would with a P2P to let the other 90-95% freeload off their money. No thank you.

I said nothing about that.

And adding "seems" pretty much makes anything you write after it irrelevant

Lol it actually doesn't if we aren't going off facts, which let's face it you don't have any hard numbers either. AND we're just speaking about opinions then "seems" would be perfect. We don't have hard numbers and no one is making any actual claims or using any "facts". So what's your issue? I honestly have no clue what you're griping about? Especially since the only one making "absolute illogical" claims are YOU.

And it most definitely wouldn't bring in decently skilled players.

So out of all the people that would play, especially since a lot of them have several MMOs under their belt, none would join that are decently skilled?

[Kyandeisu]

I would drop this game in a heart beat even thou I would still WANT to play. Its just..normally the communities that spawn and thrive in f2p games now a days just suck, REALLY suck, not in actual game play but it overall attitude and personalities. I came to FFXIV to get away from that atmosphere, didnt choose WoW becuz Im not a fan of the more cartoony style the game is stylized in. Even if FFXIV with hybrid of f2p I would stop playing :/ which I hope SE sticks with their word on that they will NEVER go that route.

[Kaedan]

Yes, more experienced mmo players = more decently skilled people.

But it doesn't. Not at all. That's why I said stating such is illogical in so many ways. Playing more than one MMO does not mean they will be more skilled. And there are plenty of people who can play a game for years and still be terrible at it. In fact, there are people that the reason they bounce between F2Ps is because they are so bad at the game they get stuck.

I said nothing about that.

Umm... yeah, I know. I brought it up. Your personal experience and mine are both anecdotal, so the only thing that matters is the objective reasons why going F2P would be a horrible thing.

So what you're saying is that if it went f2p NO decently skilled people would join, thus saying all f2pers are "bads" which just simply isn't the case lol.

No, I said, "Sorry, but most of the people who only play F2Ps and would only play FFXIV if there was no sub are not the kind of players you want to play with." before that statement. So while I do believe most of the people who would join would be "bads", I didn't say all.

[actionjackson83]

I wouldn't mind the sub dropping to $5.99 a month honestly...

[Terribad]

But it doesn't. Not at all. That's why I said stating such is illogical in so many ways. Playing more than one MMO does not mean they will be more skilled. And there are plenty of people who can play a game for years and still be terrible at it. In fact, there are people that the reason they bounce between F2Ps is because they are so bad at the game they get stuck.

Rofl! None of that makes absolutely any sense. I'm sorry, if you get someone that has been doing something for awhile then yes they're going to be more skilled. Did I say all? No I said most. A lot of people here didn't even know what a tank was or what it's suppose to do. It's not their fault, they're new to MMOs. Yoshi even said himself a lot of the gamers here are new to MMOs.

Umm... duh. I brought it up. Your personal experience and mine are both anecdotal, so the only thing that matters is the objective reasons why going F2P would be a horrible thing.

I never said F2P would be a good or bad thing. I just brought up reasons why I would still play. So bringing up objective reasons why going f2p would be bad has nothing to do with anything I said.

No, I said, "Sorry, but most of the people who only play F2Ps and would only play FFXIV if there was no sub are not the kind of players you want to play with." before that statement. So while I do believe most of the people who would join would be "bads", I didn't say all.

/facepalm I said "most" and "seems" in front of my sentences yet that does not work in my case? I'm sorry but those two statements have nothing to do with each other. Saying "most" in one sentence about something completely different doesn't apply to the next sentence.

But you're arguing simply to argue which is what this community would call "toxic behavior" lol. I stated my opinion as to why I would still play and none of it was absolute statements.

[Kaedan]

forum warrior bs

Here is what you originally said that I responded to:

"Actually, yes.

A lot of f2p players would try it regardless of it being a FFXIV game. A good chunk of people here are only here because they're FF players and not MMO players. With more MMO players they might actually design the game for FF AND MMO players. PLUS there would be a huge increase of decently skilled players."

Notice the bold statement. That is an absolute statement of fact. You didn't say, "seems", or "most", or "in my opinion". Which is what I was responding to when I said:

"Yeah... the unwashed F2P masses. Sorry, but most of the people who only play F2Ps and would only play FFXIV if there was no sub are not the kind of players you want to play with. They're fickle, greedy, immature freeloaders, for the most part. And it most definitely wouldn't bring in decently skilled players."

I already prefaced my statements with the bolded line. Thus, as per the rules of the English language, I do not need to repeat my qualifier again until the subject changes... which it never did.

You have since changed your tune and added "seems" and "most" to your original statement, which makes it your personal, anecdotal opinion, same as mine. Great. You would keep playing because you think that more skilled players would start playing... I don't agree, but you're welcome to your opinion. But that's besides the point. The way you stated your first post made it seem a statement of fact, not a statement of opinion, which is why I replied.