When Friends, or you, become an Elitist.

[Sinaloa]

I became an elitist the day I realized I do perform better than most others while having equal or worse gear. It was arround the day I read the tooltips.

We just do not agree about the term elitist. Your definition is like newb. As it occured it was nothing more than the description of a new Player (new by). Folks perverted it to noob just like they did with elite because they were not part of that minority.

edit.: The word you are looking for is jerk.

[MeiUshu]

There should be a name for people who go around the forums saying everything is "entitlement". xD



Well if the craft you wanted is something like the Thav Dress, where the mats were costing something like 10mil+ to make and the crafted has to unlocked master book 3 to make them and gear up some, you should expect to pay a price proportionate to the cost of mats and MB value of the finished item. In the above example a crafter asking 500k for the craft would very reasonable in my opinion.

Far too many people think crafters magically unlock recipes and gear up without it costing anything (8 crafts geared and master books unlocked in 3.0 cost me around 120mil), so you should be able to tip them 5k for the highest tier crafts, this is not the case.

this is probably the most silly answer I have seen and read. If you decided to unlock a book 3 is your decision because you wanted it, wished it and desired it. I dont think that building a stuff that you do not have to put forth any effort other then beat on a hammer or needle or whatever, and asking INSANE amount of gils for that is just being greedy is all and people that pay for that are as silly, but then they have no choice other then pay if they want their stuff, it sounds like is a sort of blackmail is like to say *I can, you cant, if you want it you pay or go to hell* this kind of mentality is just unbelievable, especially if it is asked for something very specific.

It doesnt mean that because you can you should

Mei

[tjw]

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You know, this makes me question what kind of society you grew up in that you can point the finger at someone rendering you a service and blame them for your own incompetence 'because it's your decision to service me!'. PLENTY of people decide to advance, to push beyond the norm. That's what college and university is for. That's what academies for all different professions are there for. Do you think attending these institutes is just a walk in the park? No. You need to put the effort into learning. You need to pay. You need to sacrifice time to get that far.

And what is the end result they all strive for? TO MAKE MORE MONEY. To be above the norm, so they can be fulfilled when they are willing to put their services to use. Let us not forget that it's YOU as a consumer who WANTS their services and products. YOU want the high-end goods and services, YOU want luxuy, YOU want to be that special snowflake, but YOU aren't willing to put in that effort they did.

Why do you think a fast food burger is cheaper than a plate of wagyu beef with sides? Why do you think renting a room in an alley-way motel is cheaper than staying in the Four Seasons? Why do you think government lawyer attorneys seem to be worse than private lawyer corporations attorneys? Why do you think private schools charge so much for a number and a piece of paper at the end of a student's time?

Yes, crafting and gathering in-game is vastly different from an actual profession in the real world. But it's not just "beat on a hammer or needle or whatever", which is what YOU see. Would YOU question the chef of the high-ranked restaurant, "Oh, all you did was smack on a piece of beef on the grill and put it on the plate!"? Would YOU go up to a hotel manager and berate them stating, "All you do is change bedsheets and charge exuberant prices on a Mars bar!"? Would you complain to a teacher that, "You just sit there and mark papers!"?

Because that's all YOU see as a consumer. YOU don't see the chef slave for years training at numerous cooking academies, suffering scathing remarks and burnt fingers. YOU don't see the hotel manager working up from being just a loader, and studying his Retail degree in order to work at such a position. YOU don't see the lawyer and teacher going to post-graduate studies to obtain even higher qualifications, paying for their time at the universities.

Just as YOU don't see the crafter behind the screen of their computer spending their time on levelling and gearing their crafting jobs to 60. Just as YOU don't see the crafter desperately fight on the markets for expensive materials or spend time and effort in farming which requires more effort spent on a battle or gathering class. Just as YOU don't see them exasperated at having missed that one hour in-game slot to get an item, or botch their 6th synthesis in a row due to RNG.

No, all YOU see is them "beat on a hammer or needle or whatever" and an item comes out. And guess what? Even after all the explanation I've done, I doubt that YOU, as a consumer, even care. All YOU care about is getting what you want, at the lowest possible burden, resources and effort that you can expend. And I do not blame you for that, for it is the nature of a consumer. It's in the way you respect such a service or profession that separates you from a bad consumer and a good one.

Regardless to say, your behaviour is very childish and close-minded. Just as you said that just because they can put things at a higher price they feel reflects their effort and their expectations of being rewarded for such effort, you don't need to, on the CONSUMER side i.e. YOU, just because you want it doesn't mean you need it.

You call her answer silly. I call your reply sillier, even pathetic.

This is going into grounds that can't be napkin-mathed out, or be entirely quantified. I'll almost say this is a mix of a "Tragedy of the commons" and the "Everyone wants better, No One wants change" attitude that is prevalent amongst the common crowd nowadays. Someone more experienced in such areas of psychology would no doubt be better than me at explaining.

Just to clarify; I am not a crafter, nor am I a gatherer. On my main character, I barely broke 3 mil gil atm. However, I can see the effort that numerous of my FC mates are putting into their crafting and gathering classes, and I respect them for their dedication. That you can insult their dedication and effort and dismiss it as something common makes me mounmentally outraged, and apathetic to your opinion.

[Magis]

Toxicity = System of a Down pops in my head ALL THE TIME. Or Toxic = A landfill and/or a Koffing Pokemon using Toxic. I learned of this playing FF14. I was never a big mmo player.

The toxicity of our city, OF OUR CIIIITYYYYYY!

Good song, the nostalgia trip begiiiiins.

[LaylaTsarra]

Elitist = gear > friends (even long term ones)

And when "booting people from duties – even df – becomes acceptable when they don't live up to their standards of play.

[Mercutial]

Sometimes I feel like I'm in the minority, but I rather enjoy wiping on previously downed content if the group I'm with is making discernible progress. So many of the fights in this game are flat-out fun. And even if I can't fully experience that initial rush of a first time clear ever again, I can somewhat approximate it vicariously thru others accomplishing the same.

I've met others like this, but they really seem to be few and far between. My suggestion is to join more clear parties and see if you don't achieve this sort of satisfaction.

[ServerCollaps]

this is probably the most silly answer I have seen and read. If you decided to unlock a book 3 is your decision because you wanted it, wished it and desired it. I dont think that building a stuff that you do not have to put forth any effort other then beat on a hammer or needle or whatever, and asking INSANE amount of gils for that is just being greedy is all and people that pay for that are as silly, but then they have no choice other then pay if they want their stuff, it sounds like is a sort of blackmail is like to say *I can, you cant, if you want it you pay or go to hell* this kind of mentality is just unbelievable, especially if it is asked for something very specific.

It doesnt mean that because you can you should

Mei

and because of his "sillyness" he got all the upvotes and you didnt

[Kona_Nightwind]

Instead of saying that here why didn't you straight up til them yourself.

I would.

Reminds me of a player from ffxi on bahamut server. One of those guys you put up with because no one else puts up with them.

In Dynamis sandy I got tired of his bullshit. Epic verbal beating for me and the Shell fell apart because all felt the same way. It takes just one person with balls and mine are big.

Yeah you tell him. Crap I just realized I've been putting up with that elitist jerk for 5 years.

[Sakuraluna]

Snippety snip snip.

That person was replying to a crafter who replied to this:

I think crafters are more elitist than anyone, even if I bring all the mats and shards with the request of normal quality they want an absurd amount of gil. Least by the definition of wanting to be rewarded for everything :P

by calculating the price of mats into an item anyways and then stating that they should expect to be charged as such regardless of having already paid for/gathered up the mats themselves. And to that, yes, it's a silly demand. I don't mind tipping generously because I do respect the amount of work people put into leveling and gearing up their crafters, but I'm not about to be double-charged for something.

[gorezilla1]

Can we just scrap "Elitism" and "Toxicity" from our collective vocabulary? They're essentially meaningless at this point.

Someone once called me toxic (lol), ever since then Britney Spears has never been the same. I kid you not, we randomly yell those 5 chords all the time. Love that song.